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easymoneysniper · 11-30-2015, 11:56 PM

And also Curry doesn't run the NBA, it still belongs to LeBron. lol mf'ers think that shit only.

~~GroupMeIsKindOfOkay~~ · 11-30-2015, 11:56 PM

Quote:Originally posted by easymoneysniper@Nov 30 2015, 10:55 PM

I mean Wade/Bosh should be blamed for the loss against Spurs, they didn't do shit

LeBron should be blamed for the Mavs loss

~~GroupMeIsKindOfOkay~~ · 11-30-2015, 11:57 PM

Quote:Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 30 2015, 10:55 PM

What. I just said Kobe has more rings and should be higher.

contradicts previous arguments is all

BasedMinkus · 11-30-2015, 11:57 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Baelor Swift@Nov 30 2015, 07:53 PM

A+ argument  =D>

Thank you.

It was as good as your School Boy Q flopped argument =D>

Kobe has more rings and more points right now, he should be higher than LBJ at this point.

Lebron will probably pass Kobe.

(ps. I like LeBron more)

BasedMinkus · 11-30-2015, 11:59 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Nov 30 2015, 07:57 PM

contradicts previous arguments is all

If it was the only part of my argument sure.

Kobe is also high in defensive first teams and points.

Why am i arguing for Kobe, I don't even like him Smile

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~~GroupMeIsKindOfOkay~~ · 12-01-2015, 12:00 AM

as much as i hate LeBron i think he is better than Kobe.
Kobe has to be "ranked" higher than him as of now tho, but that won't be the case when LeBron eventually retires

stevo · 12-01-2015, 12:01 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Baelor Swift@Dec 1 2015, 04:35 AM

Championships: Kobe 5, LeBron 2
Finals MVP: Kobe 2, LeBron 2
MVP: Kobe 1, LeBron 4
All-Star: Kobe 17, LeBron 11
All-NBA First Team: Kobe 11, LeBron 9
Points: Kobe 32,683, LeBron 25,349
Assists: Kobe 6166, LeBron 6413
Steals: Kobe 1895, LeBron 1575
Rebounds: Kobe 6853, LeBron 6630
Field Goal %: Kobe .450, LeBron .496
Career VORP (Value over Replacement Player): Kobe 71.9, LeBron 102.6
Playoff VORP: Kobe 14.0, LeBron 23.7
Offensive Win Shares: Kobe 122.2, LeBron 126.7
Playoff OWS: Kobe 21.0, LeBron 24.5
Defensive Win Shares: Kobe 50.2, LeBron 55.3
Playoff DWS: Kobe 7.3, LeBron 12.4
Best Player Played With: Kobe - Shaq, LeBron - DWade?

And Kobe has 7 seasons, 371 regular season games, and 42 playoff games on LeBron. I would say even if both ended their careers today, you could easily make a case for LeBron having the better career.

I give you all that, even though I must say that I probably value championships as much more valuable than the rest. I'm not even denying that LeBron will probably be looked as the more versatile and more two-way focused player the second he retires and I'll be the first one to say that, but he isn't bringing on the better resume as of today. Win shares, you have to take them with caution because theyre highly influenced by your roster. Kobe played three years with a clusterfuck team until Pau arrived in like 2007 or 2008, LeBron's best team mate until he left in 2010 after 7 full seasons was Mo Williams. Mo freaking Williams.
Because we're talking resume here, not who's the better all around player. That's LeBron all day, of course.

BasedMinkus · 12-01-2015, 12:03 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Nov 30 2015, 08:00 PM
as much as i hate LeBron i think he is better than Kobe.
Kobe has to be "ranked" higher than him as of now tho, but that won't be the case when LeBron eventually retires

I agree with that last sentiment.

r1c3bowl22 · 12-01-2015, 12:13 AM

Quote:Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 30 2015, 09:29 PM

I would personally like to hear 14 players better than Kobe.

My personal top 10.

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Wilt
4. Shaq
5. Bill Russell
6. Hakeem
7. Kareem
8. Duncan
9. Bird
10. Bryant

Bruh you're gonna leave Julius Irving out of that?

Leo Senpai · 12-01-2015, 12:15 AM

Half of y'all didn't even see wilt and all those guys play.

Leo Senpai · 12-01-2015, 12:17 AM

Lebron will have a better statistical career than Kobe that is obvious.

As for rings he may not get 5.

Also EMS I love Lebron but it is not his league this season. Curry is the man..... it hurts me to say it but he is and you can't argue that right now.

r1c3bowl22 · 12-01-2015, 12:17 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Baelor Swift@Nov 30 2015, 09:49 PM

Take your 9 and add LeBron, KG, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Karl Molone. It does get highly debatable at this point and, granted, a number of these guys I never actually was able to watch and have really just seen highlights of. But for me, Kobe never really passed the eye test as being even in the conversation of best all time. That absolutely doesn't take away from the fact that he is one of the very best but his selfishness leading to poorer efficiency and lack of effort defensively, especially when off the ball, make me believe he is highly overrated.

Nice to see someone rate Jerry West.

BasedMinkus · 12-01-2015, 12:20 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Leo Senpai@Nov 30 2015, 08:15 PM
Half of y'all didn't even see wilt and all those guys play.

Didn't have to watch Bobby Orr to know he is one of the three greatest players ever.

stevo · 12-01-2015, 12:20 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Leo Senpai@Dec 1 2015, 05:15 AM
Half of y'all didn't even see wilt and all those guys play.

nobody on here did

Leo Senpai · 12-01-2015, 12:25 AM

Quote:Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 30 2015, 11:20 PM

Didn't have to watch Bobby Orr to know he is one of the three greatest players ever.

In his time

This is a new Era the style is fpdiferent and the talent level is much much better

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