04-24-2019, 08:44 AMChris-McZehrl Wrote: many teams are stacked and that mean ... min 8 Forwards over 1000 TPE + 4 Defender over 1000 TPE
probably inactives also over 1000 TPE

if you read a bit higher my post about the next SHL Expansion (since the SHL S46 Reddit Draft / S45 SMJHL one ... killed the Expansion) then way more send downs would be called up and we have more spots in the SMJHL.

04-24-2019, 08:32 AMMayuu Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:23 AMluketd Wrote: 1st season is learning 
2nd season is getting capped/enjoying/going for the cup 
3rd season is for getting more tpe and the previous things
4th season is unbanking the past 2 seasons 

Now there will be exceptions as people grow slower than some, so they may need an extra season in the smjhl. But it allows a quick turnaround that doesn’t screw over the SMJHL GM’s

In any league there will be competitiveness, you can’t get rid of it. But there’s always a cycle of SMJHL teams of building a good team then watch it burn by people leaving. 

What I do personally as a gm is get the rookies ingrained into the culture of the LR, build the LR up with them. I tell the rookies that they won’t have a ton of points, but what they can see is the team doing well as well as an active LR environment that makes them excited and happy to be there. Sure a sim is great and it’s the reason why people are here, but a good LR makes people stay a lot more than how their player is in the sim. What I do is have them get excited for this season and next season, always having hope for the future. 


From what I see analytically, is that once you get drafted in the SHL, depending on factors the # of people getting drafted to the #of people staying halves around 3-4 seasons into it. 

Mayuu for our S43 draft class, we got drafted with 63 people, Now we have 28-35 people left active 

For S44 there was about 28 or so people drafted that were active, now there is 10-15 people left.

Nice, yeah I agree with most of what you said!
Just a personal question, did you not get bored of banking TPE for two season?

04-24-2019, 08:49 AMTomasnz Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:44 AMChris-McZehrl Wrote: many teams are stacked and that mean ... min 8 Forwards over 1000 TPE + 4 Defender over 1000 TPE
probably inactives also over 1000 TPE

if you read a bit higher my post about the next SHL Expansion (since the SHL S46 Reddit Draft / S45 SMJHL one ... killed the Expansion) then way more send downs would be called up and we have more spots in the SMJHL.

Give me data. How many teams are like that?
The one I'm on isn't. 


Also. What's wrong with having actives on third lines not inactives?

Also. Why does everyone feel the need to talk about lines in tpe order. Build Combinations are  far more important from what I can tell. Why not slot in the pass first rookie on the second line if you don't have a +1000 tpe player with that build.

04-24-2019, 08:09 AMMayuu Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:04 AMaaronwilson Wrote: I kind of like that SMJHL is about building smart and ditributing your TPE well, not just how much TPE you can hoard. I believe GOMHL has a similar concept.
Hence why I like the low cap.

I do believe, however, that people shouldn't spend more than 3 seasons in SMJHL.

Competitiveness should be the focus of the league. That's just more fun.

Thanks for your input!

Why 3 seasons though, how did you come to that conclusion?

04-24-2019, 08:35 AMChris-McZehrl Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:33 AMKatth Wrote: I'm not, because I already planned builds for 500 TPE, 600 TPE and 700 TPE.

would you love it to be in the SHL needed with just 600 TPE? or maybe 500 TPE? and getting the 3rd line spot? also on stacked teams!?

04-24-2019, 08:36 AMMayuu Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:24 AMKatth Wrote: SMJHL is a league for the first gen rookies:
Yes, I agree 100%. It should be a learning place to prepare people for the SHL.

Rookie ice time:
Active players should always be prioritized over inactive players, but I do not believe that rookies should get more ice time. It's a sim after all. When you are called up to the SHL chances are you'll be playing 3rd line minutes for quite a long time also.

350 TPE cap is to low:
The TPE cap of 350 is fine. With the 350 cap the development of your player doesn't stand still. You can think ahead and plan accordingly to the TPE you are earning. Also with the 350 cap in place it will maintain a smaller gap between newly drafted players and send downs.

Competitiveness of the SMJHL should not be the focus of the league:
Hockey is competitive and as this is a hockey sim, the sim should be competitive too. It can't be learning place where things are being spoonfed, it shouldn't be too easy. Look at it like this generation of kids is growing up. Everything is handed to them, they aren't allowed to get hurt. When they are getting older they will face the harsh world that's called maturity. When a kid in school didn't perform well, you got a good talking to by your parents. Nowadays it's the teachers fault. Let's not be like that.

Spending to long time in the SMJHL is bad:
I agree and I think this is a responsibility for the SHL GM's as well as the player itself. SHL GM's need to really consider the flow of players that they are drafting. Giving everyone equal opportunity if they are active. Let's say you have 7 picks in a SHL draft and draft 7 players, but you know that in 3-4 seasons you only have room for 4 players. Some might say a luxury problem, but I don't see it that way. I see it as a lack of insight.

Interesting!

Quote:Active players should always be prioritized over inactive players, but I do not believe that rookies should get more ice time. It's a sim after all. When you are called up to the SHL chances are you'll be playing 3rd line minutes for quite a long time also.

Would you, if you were a GM play an active rookie over an inactive 350 TPE player? As you said it's hockey so competition is natural, but where does one draw the line?

Quote:Giving everyone equal opportunity if they are active. Let's say you have 7 picks in a SHL draft and draft 7 players, but you know that in 3-4 seasons you only have room for 4 players. Some might say a luxury problem, but I don't see it that way. I see it as a lack of insight.

Isn't this how it is in real life as well? When a NHL team drafts they don't just draft for their current needs, anything can happen between and during season. Who know's who might leave in FA or go inactive.
If your squad is full and looks to be full the upcoming season, giving away picks for free isn't something I'd ever do as a GM.

Quote:Would you, if you were a GM play an active rookie over an inactive 350 TPE player? As you said it's hockey so competition is natural, but where does one draw the line?

Quote:Isn't this how it is in real life as well? When a NHL team drafts they don't just draft for their current needs, anything can happen between and during season. Who know's who might leave in FA or go inactive.
If your squad is full and looks to be full the upcoming season, giving away picks for free isn't something I'd ever do as a GM.

04-24-2019, 08:56 AMaaronwilson Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:09 AMMayuu Wrote: Thanks for your input!

Why 3 seasons though, how did you come to that conclusion?

Seems like 4th season is when most players are called up.
S45 class is at 500-750 tpe right now, that's at least 3rd line minutes on most teams.

Alternative solution - players should be allowed to stay down as long as their SHL team has 9 forwards/4 dmen/2 goalies with higher TPE but not more than 5 seasons (like now).
Inactive players can stay down for 3 seasons.

04-24-2019, 10:33 AMObsidian311 Wrote: I will say the first gen in my household is having tons of fun at 7 minutes per game.

/s

04-24-2019, 10:32 AMMayuu Wrote:

04-24-2019, 08:56 AMaaronwilson Wrote: Seems like 4th season is when most players are called up.
S45 class is at 500-750 tpe right now, that's at least 3rd line minutes on most teams.

Alternative solution - players should be allowed to stay down as long as their SHL team has 9 forwards/4 dmen/2 goalies with higher TPE but not more than 5 seasons (like now).
Inactive players can stay down for 3 seasons.

Average of all lines across SHL

1st line 1189
2nd line 989
3rd line 657

1st pair 1219
2nd pair 986
3rd pair 536

Starter Goalie 1005

Median

1st line 1230
2nd line 970
3rd line 635

1st pair 1233
2nd pair 930
3rd pair 531

Starter Goalie 1056

here's a link to all the SHL team's lines with average TPE of each line

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ru8oN1xgsH9zb--NtOxr58tzr7jYa4HBn48xnOOMz0w/edit?usp=sharing

04-24-2019, 11:41 AMaaronwilson Wrote:

04-24-2019, 10:32 AMMayuu Wrote: Average of all lines across SHL

1st line 1189
2nd line 989
3rd line 657

1st pair 1219
2nd pair 986
3rd pair 536

Starter Goalie 1005

Median

1st line 1230
2nd line 970
3rd line 635

1st pair 1233
2nd pair 930
3rd pair 531

Starter Goalie 1056

here's a link to all the SHL team's lines with average TPE of each line

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ru8oN1xgsH9zb--NtOxr58tzr7jYa4HBn48xnOOMz0w/edit?usp=sharing

Right, so if I'm interpreting this correctly, the majority of 4th-year players have enough tpe to play on a 3rd line/pair in SHL. That doesn't seem too bad.

Regarding SMJHL rookies: GMs can play a rookie over a capped inactive but it should be entirely up to them imo.

For me the prospect showcase was fun, my first season in SMJHL not so much. Especially the first half because I was below 200 tpe and my player wasn't scoring at all, even though I played like 20 minutes a game.

Maybe we can create a 3rd league that would run beginning after the draft and until game 30 of the regular season. Similar to the prospect showcase.
GMs would have the option to send their rookies to this league or play them in SMJHL.

I know something similar have been suggested before, this is just my take on it.

04-24-2019, 12:07 PMTML99 Wrote: SMJHL is a league for the first gen rookies:

"The SMJHL's main purpose is to introduce the first generation members to the site and how it works, from how to apply your TPE to how to gain money. This league is where you are supposed to learn it all.
This to setup the user for the real deal, the SHL."

Id say this is more of the responsibility of Juniors GM's, Mentors & HO; a league (SMJHL) doesn't introduce people to the fundamentals of the site nor does it teach them how to apply TPE, that comes from asking questions, GMs reaching out and offering advice, posting guidelines and how-to's also staying up to date with rookies making sure they aren't confused and are generally enjoying themselves the SMJHL more or less prepares people for the cruelty that is STHS and gets them used to reading idex's, ect. In the GOMHL you have one league, the "league" doesn't teach you anything that comes from the quality members, GMs, mentors, teammates and HO

Rookie ice time:

Actives over inactive, I get that for sure although are you playing a 160 active rookie over a capped inactive? competition matters at the end of the day and rookies understand that, it gives actives something to work towards "I want to improve so I move up in the lines" I like giving guys this fire and 9 times out of 10 I see them rise to the occasion and they are replacing higher TPE inactives in no time at all and enjoying the story line along the way. Its not "welcome to the SMJHL here have first line minutes, dont worry you dont have to work for it"... there is nothing to learn there imo. You earn your ice time its the same everywhere its makes sense to me and should be that way. There are dozens of other ways to keep a rookie active giving them top minutes shouldn't have to be one of them that being said I think there is a good balance that needs to be met and as long as your players are happy are you really doing anything wrong?