10-22-2019, 05:00 AMmajesiu Wrote: Sweet, fixing loophole after most of players already benefited from them, so only newer generation will be comparatively worse because of that. Why not instead remove paragraph Once they drop to 85, all non-strength stats cannot be boosted beyond 85. (and later version when they drop to 82) completely, if it was dead rule broken on seasonal basis and nobody punished for abusing it?

10-22-2019, 03:25 AMFordyford Wrote:

10-22-2019, 01:53 AMKatth Wrote: So this sounds like people cheated and HO is covering for it...

I suppose they did but we’d rather not punish half the regressing players in the league for something that most of them didn’t know was against the rules. And they didn’t do a huge amount of harm

10-22-2019, 03:25 AMFordyford Wrote:

10-22-2019, 01:53 AMKatth Wrote: So this sounds like people cheated and HO is covering for it...

I suppose they did but we’d rather not punish half the regressing players in the league for something that most of them didn’t know was against the rules. And they didn’t do a huge amount of harm

10-22-2019, 08:01 AMSlappydoodle Wrote:

10-22-2019, 03:25 AMFordyford Wrote: I suppose they did but we’d rather not punish half the regressing players in the league for something that most of them didn’t know was against the rules. And they didn’t do a huge amount of harm

I have to say, I’d be shocked if the percentage of regressing players doing this was anything near to half. I had literally never heard of doing this before and I’ve been around here almost five years. I know that’s just anecdotal evidence but I can’t see this being much more than a handful of people, probably mostly very high tpe players.

10-22-2019, 05:45 AMAvakael Wrote:

10-22-2019, 05:00 AMmajesiu Wrote: Sweet, fixing loophole after most of players already benefited from them, so only newer generation will be comparatively worse because of that. Why not instead remove paragraph Once they drop to 85, all non-strength stats cannot be boosted beyond 85. (and later version when they drop to 82) completely, if it was dead rule broken on seasonal basis and nobody punished for abusing it?

To be fair, when the rule was written, people weren't earning as much TPE as gets earned now. Nobody had ever yet once reached 2,000 TPE. Before the S31 class reached regression, only 3 people had ever done it before (Anrikannen, Garbanzo, Clayton). Then 5 of us got there. 4 of us are still playing now, and between Metzler, Visser and Kurczewski, we've probably only had to let 4 or 5 stats total fall below 85. You better believe we and LKS were using the hell out of this loophole.

10-22-2019, 08:27 AMArGarBarGar Wrote:

10-22-2019, 08:01 AMSlappydoodle Wrote: I have to say, I’d be shocked if the percentage of regressing players doing this was anything near to half. I had literally never heard of doing this before and I’ve been around here almost five years. I know that’s just anecdotal evidence but I can’t see this being much more than a handful of people, probably mostly very high tpe players.

I know both Eggy and myself did it, only because it was just easy to just throw the regression in with the other claims.

10-22-2019, 08:41 AMSlappydoodle Wrote:

10-22-2019, 08:27 AMArGarBarGar Wrote: I know both Eggy and myself did it, only because it was just easy to just throw the regression in with the other claims.

As I said, this is likely to be almost solely limited to the very highest tpe players. You and Eggy were on the outer extreme of earners. It seems a little disingenuous to say it was solely because it was easier. There is a tangible benefit that I am sure the biggest tpe gainers were not and are not blind to. There is a knowledge of the benefit gained regardless of whatever the main motivation may have been

10-22-2019, 09:30 AMGrapehead Wrote: I'm still confused here I think...

- Player's thread shows 1,100 TPE on (01/01)
- Regression is posted with player's TPE at 1,100 on (01/02)
- Regression says at the top of the OP that all claims before 1/02 can be added to 1,100 and all claims after 1/02 can not
- Player has 6 unclaimed TPE from a claim thread posted on (12/30)
- Player has 4 unclaimed TPE from a claim thread posted on (01/03)
- Player posts a new update on (01/04)

Should the player be regressed from 1,100 / 1,110 / or 1,106 TPE?

Player regresses at 1,100 + 6 unclaimed from 12/30 = 1,106
4 unclaimed on 1/03 to be used after you regress

10-22-2019, 09:30 AMGrapehead Wrote: I'm still confused here I think...

- Player's thread shows 1,100 TPE on (01/01)
- Regression is posted with player's TPE at 1,100 on (01/02)
- Player has 6 unclaimed TPE from a claim thread posted on (12/30)
- Player has 4 unclaimed TPE from a claim thread posted on (01/03)
- Player posts a new update on (01/04)

Should the player be regressed from 1,100 / 1,110 / or 1,106 TPE?

10-22-2019, 05:45 AMAvakael Wrote:

10-22-2019, 05:00 AMmajesiu Wrote: Sweet, fixing loophole after most of players already benefited from them, so only newer generation will be comparatively worse because of that. Why not instead remove paragraph Once they drop to 85, all non-strength stats cannot be boosted beyond 85. (and later version when they drop to 82) completely, if it was dead rule broken on seasonal basis and nobody punished for abusing it?

To be fair, when the rule was written, people weren't earning as much TPE as gets earned now. Nobody had ever yet once reached 2,000 TPE. Before the S31 class reached regression, only 3 people had ever done it before (Anrikannen, Garbanzo, Clayton). Then 5 of us got there. 4 of us are still playing now, and between Metzler, Visser and Kurczewski, we've probably only had to let 4 or 5 stats total fall below 85. You better believe we and LKS were using the hell out of this loophole.

10-22-2019, 04:43 AMAvakael Wrote: I've probably taken a fairly chunky benefit from this loophole, so I understand and won't fight back on it. But I will point out that updaters are going to need to be really on the ball about processing that regression. There needs to be enough room left to allow people to do the regression update and *then* the post regression update after that and get both of those processed and ready for pre-season.

10-22-2019, 10:23 AMMike Izzy Wrote:

10-22-2019, 05:45 AMAvakael Wrote: To be fair, when the rule was written, people weren't earning as much TPE as gets earned now. Nobody had ever yet once reached 2,000 TPE. Before the S31 class reached regression, only 3 people had ever done it before (Anrikannen, Garbanzo, Clayton). Then 5 of us got there. 4 of us are still playing now, and between Metzler, Visser and Kurczewski, we've probably only had to let 4 or 5 stats total fall below 85. You better believe we and LKS were using the hell out of this loophole.

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Im looking at his update.. he was soppose to regress at 1402 tpe...  thats after all the tpe he could claim before eggys 7/22 due date.
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he adds 64 illegal tpe to his regression build.. then regresses


Strength 1(8) (87-86)
Endurance 3(24) (86-83)
Scoring 4(32) (90-86)

these are all his non strengths, with that 64 illegal tpe he saves himself from being locked in at no more then 85 and 82 for the rest of his career...then goes on and adds to those attributes in the regular season....

This is a profound advantage for a player and team... and If this ommision of circumvention is whats been going on, then we need to revisit this as more then a sweep under the rug ruling ASAP.