01-10-2020, 11:23 AMztevans Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:19 AMJumpierPancakes Wrote: People be out here calling this the worst travesty in SHL history and the most sham Cup ever like we didn't have several SHL and even SMJHL seasons with simmers who rigged the sim

Not calling you old or anything, JP, but 95% of users probably weren't even around for that.  Hell, I'd bet half of our active users weren't even around for the double-shifting days.  So yeah, it would be the "most sham Cup" in the recollection of the vast majority of the user base.

01-10-2020, 11:27 AMWannabeFinn Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:23 AMztevans Wrote: Not calling you old or anything, JP, but 95% of users probably weren't even around for that.  Hell, I'd bet half of our active users weren't even around for the double-shifting days.  So yeah, it would be the "most sham Cup" in the recollection of the vast majority of the user base.

People can’t be mad about bad stuff now because bad stuff happened before

Where was the outrage then? Checkmate Obama

01-10-2020, 11:27 AMWannabeFinn Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:23 AMztevans Wrote: Not calling you old or anything, JP, but 95% of users probably weren't even around for that.  Hell, I'd bet half of our active users weren't even around for the double-shifting days.  So yeah, it would be the "most sham Cup" in the recollection of the vast majority of the user base.

People can’t be mad about bad stuff now because bad stuff happened before

Where was the outrage then? Checkmate Obama

01-10-2020, 11:33 AMCitizen of Adraa Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:27 AMWannabeFinn Wrote: People can’t be mad about bad stuff now because bad stuff happened before

Where was the outrage then? Checkmate Obama

How about we go and be angry in those threads now?

01-10-2020, 10:12 AMMayuu Wrote:

01-10-2020, 09:57 AMjRuutu Wrote: Thats the thing, I don´t think they did enough. Where is Eggy? 3 of the owners are inactive, who is in the HO? Argarbargar said he has lost interest, Danbyrem does not have a player in the league, when you start to go down the list, how many non Hamilton members were there to decide on this whole thing?

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I'm going to try to be level headed with you, but I doubt it will work. But lets try anyway.

You have to remember that this is a game, and people will do whatever it takes to win. Some will try to cheat, some will try to push the limits as far as possible within the rules.
Some GM's/Players limits are closer to the borders of the rules then others, but everyone tries their best to increase their chance of success, this is true for both SMJHL and SHL.
Some users will say that the J's should be more about creating a good user experience for new players, we all know that winning is the best experience a GM can provide for their users and them self so this holds true just as much here as anywhere else. Low passing, high scoring is a grey zone just as much as playing inactive's over actives in juniors. Only difference is that the latter give a much smaller edge to actually win shit then the former. Users are just as outspoken about playing inactive's over actives in juniors as they are about this issue.

There's no conspiracy to this whole shit show. Team found a edge that was in the rule book, executed their strategy and is reaping their rewards. Is it fun? Nope. Does it feel like you are being tricked out of your "best years"? Absolutely.

I don't blame Hamilton for trying their best to win, I don't think anyone saw the potential impact the strategy would have on the league.

Still doesn't change the fact that a lot of users feels like they wasted their time on their players since they are now known to be flawed.

01-10-2020, 10:23 AMWaters Wrote:

01-10-2020, 09:54 AMjRuutu Wrote: Surprisingly easy thing to do though? At least to me sounds less of work than moving everything to new sim engine. Suspend/fire/ban everybody who clearly tried exploit the sim engine.

and then what? people keep using sths as if there isn't a massive bug in the system?

01-10-2020, 10:40 AMnour Wrote:

01-10-2020, 09:51 AMjRuutu Wrote: Mister ´64PA/90SC´ over here expecting reasonable things. Point I had was to show the league is not really even trying to fight back. Big part of that is the Hamilton influence in the HO, either directly trying to down play it and/or risk of for example annoying DrunkenTeddy who has done a lot for the site was too much, so they give little slaps on the wrists instead of responding with similar fire when for example someone uses certain words in the forum.

I don’t think you should be reasonable because I’m expecting it, I think you should be reasonable because behaving like an idiot really isn’t a good look for you.

What Hamilton influence in HO? They reverted our regression last offseason and they’ll probably change the rules further this coming offseason to combat all of this stuff. They obviously weren’t going to introduce a rule change in the middle of the playoffs.

If I’m reading this correctly, you’re saying the SHL HO should have the same fire to crack down on how we build players as they do to crack down on people using homophobic, racist or ableist slurs? Those are of equal importance to you? HO should put low passing on the same level as saying the n-word? Grow up lmao

01-10-2020, 11:33 AMCitizen of Adraa Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:27 AMWannabeFinn Wrote: People can’t be mad about bad stuff now because bad stuff happened before

Where was the outrage then? Checkmate Obama

How about we go and be angry in those threads now?

01-10-2020, 10:02 AMACapitalChicago Wrote:

01-10-2020, 09:57 AMjRuutu Wrote: Thats the thing, I don´t think they did enough. Where is Eggy? 3 of the owners are inactive, who is in the HO? Argarbargar said he has lost interest, Danbyrem does not have a player in the league, when you start to go down the list, how many non Hamilton members were there to decide on this whole thing?

I'd be inactive too if everything I did while trying to help the site was scrutinized as being a conspiracy

01-10-2020, 09:01 AMAcsolap Wrote: Regardless of how I feel about the lack of foresight shown by some members of Hamilton. They didn't break any rules and considering your penchant for having a whinge I would imagine you'd be first in line to complain if HO started handing out bans for things not included in the rule book.

01-10-2020, 11:59 AMjRuutu Wrote: If the absolute top level members look pretty inactive, I´m seeing former co-commissioner with Hamilton connections pretty high in the list on making decisions. Not interesting or worrying at all to you?

01-10-2020, 10:43 AMztevans Wrote: I've made a point to not take any @jRuutu posts seriously for about a year now, but it's worth noting that I hate Hamilton a lot and even MY PA-SC gap is 14 right now because I put zero effort into my last update thinking we'd be on FHM for next season so why should I actually try on something I'm just going to have to re-do?  Oops.

I'll add some passing next time, don't worry kiddos.

01-10-2020, 10:51 AMInf1d3l Wrote: It's not bannable. Is it bush league? Absolutely! No one is going to forget this one and likely the majority of the playerbase (not on Hamilton) will consider it tainted, but the fact is they won bending (not breaking) the rules. The league will adjust for what is likely the last season of STHS and work towards a workable, and hopefully un-exploitable, FHM6 transition soon.

As for HO being a part of a conspiracy, that's laughable at best sorry. I think I've been pretty vocal personally about my distaste for this season and what Hamilton did, hence being adjusted for next season.

Time to move on and look towards the draft, the offseason, and hopefully a more "normal" season S52.

01-10-2020, 12:04 PMjRuutu Wrote:

01-10-2020, 10:02 AMACapitalChicago Wrote: I'd be inactive too if everything I did while trying to help the site was scrutinized as being a conspiracy

They are not exactly closing the door on conspiracy options either.

01-10-2020, 09:01 AMAcsolap Wrote: Regardless of how I feel about the lack of foresight shown by some members of Hamilton. They didn't break any rules and considering your penchant for having a whinge I would imagine you'd be first in line to complain if HO started handing out bans for things not included in the rule book.

Are you one of those people who will try to charge their phone by throwing into the microwave and the sue because the microwave did not have ´no phones inside´ sticker on it?

01-10-2020, 12:14 PMAcsolap Wrote:

01-10-2020, 12:04 PMjRuutu Wrote: They are not exactly closing the door on conspiracy options either.

Are you one of those people who will try to charge their phone by throwing into the microwave and the sue because the microwave did not have ´no phones inside´ sticker on it?

Congratulations that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on this site.

And that's saying something considering we've had samee, rush and penknight as memebers.

01-10-2020, 12:08 PMztevans Wrote:

01-10-2020, 11:59 AMjRuutu Wrote: If the absolute top level members look pretty inactive, I´m seeing former co-commissioner with Hamilton connections pretty high in the list on making decisions. Not interesting or worrying at all to you?

Seeing as he literally hasn't updated in two months, the only worrying part is that he's still listed somewhere as co-commissioner and you're hung up on it.  He doesn't even have enough TPE to break the sim.

01-10-2020, 12:14 PMAcsolap Wrote:

01-10-2020, 12:04 PMjRuutu Wrote: They are not exactly closing the door on conspiracy options either.

Are you one of those people who will try to charge their phone by throwing into the microwave and the sue because the microwave did not have ´no phones inside´ sticker on it?

Congratulations that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on this site.

And that's saying something considering we've had samee, rush and penknight as memebers.