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- kckolbe - 03-29-2018
For those who remember, last season I ranked each player by an evolving metric I refer to as Total Points Earned, but only to myself, because if I say TPE, people start thinking about some other thing. So, still undecided on the name.
At any rate, the idea is pretty simple. Basically, it's about placing some kind of value on penalties, hits, hits taken, and shots blocked. For those who want to read more on the process, check out this link.
One change that I've made since then was that, following this article, I decided to simplify Power Play and Penalty Kill percentages by going with the league average rather than using the team average.
Now, results time. Here are all players listed by adjusted points from preseason.
Name New P
Luke Atmey 70.2866
Ace Redding 70.27025
Joe Kurczewski 69.26455
Dani Forsberg 65.43955
Chris York 59.944825
Corey Bearss 57.6383
Bubba Nuck 56.284725
Mikko Linna 56.05965
Raven Silverwing 55.575975
Geronimo Otto 55.214375
Nikolaus Scholz 53.96155
Kristian Eriksson 53.573825
Sebastian Strange 52.91275
Jack Durden 51.078625
Ronnie Westbrook 50.592975
Sven Karlsson 50.202325
Jed Lloren 49.93485
Noro Wozy 49.8248
Zanarkand Abes 49.16525
Kelly Rivet 49.055125
Trevor Wilson 48.8719
Alonzo Garbanzo 48.50295
Lord Pretty Flacko 47.829375
Jacob Renninger 47.669825
Halfdan Thorstein 47.050925
Conklin Owen 46.997175
Jason Visser 46.820575
Pietra Volkova 45.748325
Spitfire 45.349575
Alex Light 45.25445
Lord Vader 44.891325
Yuriy Starkonov 44.73245
Wyatt Wollker 44.66925
Jean-Luc Reflieux 44.550125
Xander Green 44.461225
Zach Evans 43.822275
Ben Dover 43.8162
Noctis Caelum 43.515025
Matthew Leetch 43.352975
Dieter Dominique 43.254475
Louie Garrett 42.996425
Elias Lindstrom 42.97115
Mia Landvik 42.96825
Terrance Nova 42.579675
Cory Knouse 42.453225
Beau Bent 41.964725
Tommy Salami 41.46595
Leafer Rielly 41.115075
Kyle Kylrad 40.852475
Sophia Bennett 40.687925
Jasper Clayton 40.627125
Jonathan Lundberg 40.396075
Robert Phelps 40.2303
Casper Jakobsson 40.11875
Teodors Cukurs 39.18725
Alexis Metzler 39.032875
Tigole Bitties 38.907975
Vladimir Lidstrom 38.8709
Harry Hans 38.85105
Shoyu Kikkoman 38.8042
Maximilian Wachter 38.7257
Toivo Kosonen 38.440225
Oisin Fletcher 38.295175
Bobby Watson 38.10955
Connor Tanner 38.0983
Adam Kaiser 38.09185
Finn Krüger 37.613625
Roman Augustus 37.604025
Theo Kane 36.7425
Yuri Boyka Jr. 36.545
Nicolas Winter 35.98845
Max Weber 35.586125
Ludwig Koch Schroder 34.9323
John Langabeer 34.929525
Viktor Vorkämpfer 34.770425
Jack Tanner 34.7405
Isaac Cormier-Hale 34.5032
Isaac Kaiser 33.9997
Liam O'Callaghan ® 33.575425
Mikael Talo 33.4865
Steven Stamkos Jr. 33.02825
Teddy Cuddles 33.0035
Chippy Chiclets 32.78955
Matthew Auston 32.68905
Sami Owens 32.604675
Patrikov Bure 32.515125
Mike Izzy 32.3897
Nicholas Pedersen 31.93525
Jaxson Reynolds 31.776275
Vasily Horvat 31.7671
Jon Ross 31.421025
Zander Rhys 31.33405
Brett Kennedy 31.1638
Jack Hansen 30.83705
Randy Randleman 30.360375
Michael Boychuk 30.29255
Charles Walker 29.999875
Eero Hämäläinen 29.61285
Viatcheslav Orlov 29.5317
Big Manious 28.864
Blabar Bananerstrom 28.764325
Dante Gallo 28.3684
Brennan Kennedy 28.2946
Nour Harrak 27.9479
Bennett Jones 27.834
Isak Ødegård 27.7456
Damien Wert 27.71335
Angelo Odjick 27.3474
Eduard Selich 27.298125
Luke Fleming 27.1789
Smirnov Light Jr. 27.094675
Mainio Makinen 26.9245
Karl Hefeweizen 26.561525
Nucky Toohoots 26.46785
Oliver König 26.25965
Colton Hagan 26.1819
Alexander Zajac 25.982625
Inari Twain 25.67955
Crossfit Jesus 25.674875
Don Pellegrino 25.5258
Victor Lindstrom 25.4515
Alek Koivu 24.6792
Tatu Makela ® 24.5763
Eddie Andrezjeck 24.38255
Wolf von Hammersmark 24.3587
Hercules Rockefeller 24.099625
Tord Yvel 23.99965
Svatoslav Bodnar 23.823575
Kevin Hamilton 23.6341
Cameron Dubois 23.472525
Vratislav Zbyněk 22.88945
Aaron Crawford 22.879225
Ben Turska 22.532325
Taro Eichelele 22.319825
Caelan Fearghal 22.1491
Derrick Glover 21.22305
Maurizio Arrivabene 20.8215
Chris Smulander 20.727125
Klaus Wagner 20.678425
The Dude ® 19.97
Joseph Lombardi 19.852225
Cara Hohenberg 19.784025
Mattias Holmberg 19.631175
Esa Anrikkanen 19.387725
Danny Foster 19.23925
Alex Mack 19.19485
Rurik Razin 19.060875
Anze Barbashev 18.915025
Dionýz Vyskoč 18.81475
Viktor Marius ® 18.6391
Kevin Marks 17.894675
Samee Iqbal 17.728675
Ivan Koroviev 17.5948
Dick Skillstedt 17.520925
Hunky Monkey 16.556325
Mercer Church 16.366075
Reinis Aumeisters 16.0193
Jack Burton 15.997075
Cam Ouellette 15.9295
Lochlann O'Rourke 15.88565
Niklaus St. Croix 15.861275
Fredrich Koenig ® 15.854
Nico Gross ® 15.747175
Brynjar Tusk 15.64745
Michael Burrows 13.9285
Maurice Picard 13.2447
Ty Justice 13.046925
Sven Brokstad 12.96105
Clint Eastwood 12.6719
Gunnar Rask 12.6346
Logan Jensen ® 12.27905
Casey Creller 12.2785
Jakub Trocheck 12.177575
Tommy Barlow ® 12.0773
TJ Bayley 11.992475
Connor Blackwell ® 11.98045
Mark Raney 11.935725
Gilfred Alfredsson 11.72415
Gabriel Wong ® 11.539625
Karsten Kadinger ® 11.496625
Tor Tuck 11.4564
DarryL Landry 11.37635
Artemi Berezin ® 11.308575
Fedor Shirobokov 11.280625
Jon Tellofsen ® 10.4372
Cloud Strife 9.8424
Eric Pelletier 9.418425
Lukas Johnson 8.577925
Gary Grease ® 8.297875
Vijanupatan Singh 8.27705
Marc Leclerc 8.246825
Travis Jeziak 8.220575
Kornel Kasparek 7.828175
Fife Gibbs 7.8127
Quick Mafs ® 7.50185
Hermanis Villy 7.31565
Kyler Gill ® 7.0008
Hunter Jones ® 6.09195
Jason Forbrook 6.017425
Lukas Muller 5.865625
Finn Larsson 5.842425
Cikgnar Konstantinov 4.679375
Timmy Barlow ® 4.514725
Elias Petersson ® 4.38375
Dwayne Wyder 4.3115
Pierre-Luc Laflamme 4.0753
Luisa Koller 3.67135
Dakota Reid 3.3657
Sinn Nolan 3.212125
Chuck Goody Jr. 2.377
Roddy Hawkins 2.281325
Jim Elliot ® 1.9183
Patrick Kilgore 1.116475
Pablo Biznette 0.332475
Scotty Steele 0.107
Johnny Pollak 0.094
Stefan Digrio 0.011475
Evgeny Yakikov 0.011475
Sami Free 0.011475
Danny Boyes 0.011475
Adam Dadswell 0
Konstantin Kostoyevskiy ® 0
Zacharias Widener 0
William Goddard 0
Henrik Vikstrom 0
Frans Erichsen 0
Robert Haugen 0
Chuck Bernstein 0
Jaylor Toast 0
Jack Grey 0
Jack Parker ® 0
Karl Hertzberg 0
Sterling Slaughter 0
Sam McGrizzley 0
Art Vandalay 0
Thomas Reynolds 0
Hugh Manatee 0
Tapper Kottbulle 0
Gord McKenzie 0
Auston McJesus 0
Jake Sanders 0
Hypolact Asia 0
Samuel Mcvay 0
Elias Norberg 0
Yaneder Dilder 0
Alex Reaper 0
Yason Vassilios 0
Stinkywink Dupoopoo 0
Laraque Obama 0
Danny Mete ® 0
Mikhail Petrikov ® 0
Ted Glass 0
Andrew Hawkins ® 0
Jensen Trygg ® 0
Walter Krysak -0.011475
Cleo Green -0.011475
Teppo Lehtonen -0.011475
Elyk -0.011475
John Grossman Jr. -1.601375
One thing I am thinking about tweaking is that currently, I count all penalty minutes the same. Fighting penalties, however, are kind of unique in that they take an opponent off the ice as well. Are there any cases where that isn't the case?
Any thoughts on how to quantify faceoff percentage?
Also, feel free to make any other suggestions or ask any questions.
- .bojo - 03-29-2018
i guess goalies can just die
- XLeafer - 03-29-2018
Quote:Originally posted by .bojo@Mar 29 2018, 06:57 PMWho needs em anyway
i guess goalies can just die
- WannabeFinn - 03-29-2018
Quote:Originally posted by .bojo@Mar 29 2018, 06:57 PMWell, yours can
i guess goalies can just die
- kckolbe - 03-29-2018
Quote:Originally posted by .bojo@Mar 29 2018, 04:57 PM
i guess goalies can just die
My bad, still working on that as well.
- kit - 03-29-2018
Are hits taken a negative thing in your formula? JW cuz some of the bet players consistently have a high HTT purely because they hold the puck a lot
- kckolbe - 03-29-2018
Quote:Originally posted by kit@Mar 29 2018, 06:44 PM
Are hits taken a negative thing in your formula? JW cuz some of the bet players consistently have a high HTT purely because they hold the puck a lot
HTT is a negative, but each one counts for 0.011475 points, so not a huge penalty at all.
- karlssens - 03-29-2018
are you part calculator?
- Insayne - 03-30-2018
#MakeForsbergOverAPPGAgain
- Mook - 03-30-2018
Quote:Originally posted by kckolbe@Mar 29 2018, 08:56 PM
Fighting penalties, however, are kind of unique in that they take an opponent off the ice as well. Are there any cases where that isn't the case?.
Reading this made me laugh, memories of playing a buddy in NHL 18 and we had 4 fights. Every time I would only get a roughing call, and he would get the fighting major and a game misconduct. Even if it was me chasing him down the ice trying to initiate. At one point I ran over his goalie, proceeded to initiate a fight and he didnt even throw a punch. All I got was a roughing.
Greatest one sided game I've ever played
100+ pim vs my 14
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- kckolbe - 03-30-2018
Quote:Originally posted by karlssens@Mar 29 2018, 07:05 PM
are you part calculator?
I use excel functions a lot. I'm definitely not doing this in my head.
- kckolbe - 03-30-2018
Quote:Originally posted by Mook@Mar 30 2018, 08:23 AM
Reading this made me laugh, memories of playing a buddy in NHL 18 and we had 4 fights. Every time I would only get a roughing call, and he would get the fighting major and a game misconduct. Even if it was me chasing him down the ice trying to initiate. At one point I ran over his goalie, proceeded to initiate a fight and he didnt even throw a punch. All I got was a roughing.
Greatest one sided game I've ever played
100+ pim vs my 14
That's kind of terrifying. In this sim, though, aren't both fighters removed for 5 minutes?
- Mook - 03-30-2018
Quote:Originally posted by kckolbe@Mar 30 2018, 12:38 PM
That's kind of terrifying. In this sim, though, aren't both fighters removed for 5 minutes?
I believe they are, been here since S20, havent seen a scenario where only 1 player sat for 5 after a fight. Even line brawls even out
- kckolbe - 03-30-2018
Quote:Originally posted by Mook@Mar 30 2018, 08:40 AM
I believe they are, been here since S20, havent seen a scenario where only 1 player sat for 5 after a fight. Even line brawls even out
Definitely good to hear. I hadn't seen it happen, but I also haven't seen nearly as much. In your opinion, would removing fighting penalties from penalty minutes in the formula make sense on the grounds that each effectively cancels out?