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Evok · 08-22-2018, 01:48 PM

08-22-2018, 01:38 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:16 PM.bojo Wrote: I'm only a fan of this because now if sites truly care about PTs they'll compete to see who can actually make me want to do a PT, thus encouraging good, fun PTs.

Or the sites/PT-crews will stop caring because fewer people do each PT and because they rely on the fact that ppl will get their TPE from elsewhere.

@goilers, @iamslm22, @Dweaves08, @to12143

Did you guys stopped caring about the PT when NSFL-PBE started the affiliation last season?
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Mavfatha · 08-22-2018, 01:50 PM

08-22-2018, 01:44 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: They can't do much worse than they do now.

What would your player be if they were a superhero? What?

That was a fun PT...

Beaver · 08-22-2018, 01:52 PM

08-21-2018, 09:14 PMEvok Wrote: LIFE

Finally, thank you.

.bojo · 08-22-2018, 01:54 PM

08-22-2018, 01:48 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:44 PMmajesiu Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:38 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:16 PM.bojo Wrote: I'm only a fan of this because now if sites truly care about PTs they'll compete to see who can actually make me want to do a PT, thus encouraging good, fun PTs.

Or the sites/PT-crews will stop caring because fewer people do each PT and because they rely on the fact that ppl will get their TPE from elsewhere.

Why do you say it with such certainty?
If anything PBE-NSFL affiliation so far resulted in more variance and activity within PTs and NSFL even made recent changes to their Point Progression system to make tasks more attractive.

I'm merely posting with the same certainty that Bojo did.

It's true, it might not be the outcome that happens. But also like argar said, our PTs really can't get worse.

goilers · 08-22-2018, 01:54 PM

08-22-2018, 01:48 PMEvok Wrote: Did you guys stopped caring about the PT when NSFL-PBE started the affiliation last season?

Lol no, if anything it gave us more work because there is way more activity (which is a great thing). This whole thread is cringe worthy.

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 08-22-2018, 01:58 PM

Maybe my biggest point of concern here is that each league is unique and that different leagues are good at different things, which allows us to cater to different audiences and ultimately reach more people. By trying to find one size fits all solutions we are taking away some of that uniqueness, make leagues more similar and weaken them in the long term because they lose their character. I don't think that the SHL is better than those other leagues, but it is different and that is a good thing. Not every league should have same TPE-system or the same roster rules or the same sim engine or the same userbase, some should be more casual and some should be more try-hard and so on.

Like, I have seen so many new leagues be created over the years, most of them carbon-copies of the SHL or, even more frequently, the VHL, and almost all of them died. It took a long time for a third hockey sim league to establish itself in the GOMHL, and what was it what made them so successful? I'd argue it was the fact that they did NOT do what the SHL and VHL were already doing, but instead went for a new approach by creating a side-league with a very casual character that they grew in a controlled manner, with strict limitations on TPE-gain etc. And it worked very well for them and now we have three hockey sim leagues that can co-exist not because they aim to make things more similar, but because they are different and are aimed at different audiences. The more "hardcore" SHL, the "casual" GOMHL and the VHL that sits somewhere in between. Diversity between leagues is a very valuable thing.

Now the NSFL and PBE do still have diversity compared to the SHL due to the fact that they are about different sports, but making the progression systems of the three leagues more and more similar will not lead to more excitement and activity, but to people being more inclined to coast along and maybe even tire out quicker, because things are the same everywhere. Simply said, if you don't have the time to participate in four leagues then don't be in four leagues. Pick one or two, focus on them and really contribute there instead of half-assing everything because you took on too much at once.

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 08-22-2018, 01:59 PM

08-22-2018, 01:48 PMEvok Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:38 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:16 PM.bojo Wrote: I'm only a fan of this because now if sites truly care about PTs they'll compete to see who can actually make me want to do a PT, thus encouraging good, fun PTs.

Or the sites/PT-crews will stop caring because fewer people do each PT and because they rely on the fact that ppl will get their TPE from elsewhere.

@goilers, @iamslm22, @Dweaves08, @to12143

Did you guys stopped caring about the PT when NSFL-PBE started the affiliation last season?

Oh yeah let's get some unbiased voices in here, like the people that will benefit from this change the most.

*Tomen* · 08-22-2018, 02:05 PM

On a site note why the fuck do I have less than 4k posts again ? WTF happened @Avakael @DrunkenTeddy

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**RomanesEuntDomus** · 08-22-2018, 02:09 PM

08-22-2018, 02:05 PMTomen Wrote: On a site note why the fuck do I have less than 4k posts again ? WTF happened @Avakael @DrunkenTeddy

Oh, you didn't hear about the great Tomen purge?

ArGarBarGar · 08-22-2018, 02:12 PM

08-22-2018, 01:50 PMMavfatha Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:44 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: They can't do much worse than they do now.

What would your player be if they were a superhero? What?

That was a fun PT...

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~~formx~~ · 08-22-2018, 02:18 PM

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***DrunkenTeddy*** · 08-22-2018, 02:20 PM

08-22-2018, 02:05 PMTomen Wrote: On a site note why the fuck do I have less than 4k posts again ? WTF happened @Avakael @DrunkenTeddy

Not sure, only stuff I was involved in deleting was what HO asked me to and that was just after the site move.

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Keygan · 08-22-2018, 02:20 PM

08-22-2018, 01:59 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:48 PMEvok Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:38 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:16 PM.bojo Wrote: I'm only a fan of this because now if sites truly care about PTs they'll compete to see who can actually make me want to do a PT, thus encouraging good, fun PTs.

Or the sites/PT-crews will stop caring because fewer people do each PT and because they rely on the fact that ppl will get their TPE from elsewhere.

@goilers, @iamslm22, @Dweaves08, @to12143

Did you guys stopped caring about the PT when NSFL-PBE started the affiliation last season?

Oh yeah let's get some unbiased voices in here, like the people that will benefit from this change the most.

They’re the PPT in their leagues, isn’t that what you asked for?

Evok · 08-22-2018, 02:23 PM

08-22-2018, 01:59 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:48 PMEvok Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:38 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 01:16 PM.bojo Wrote: I'm only a fan of this because now if sites truly care about PTs they'll compete to see who can actually make me want to do a PT, thus encouraging good, fun PTs.

Or the sites/PT-crews will stop caring because fewer people do each PT and because they rely on the fact that ppl will get their TPE from elsewhere.

@goilers, @iamslm22, @Dweaves08, @to12143

Did you guys stopped caring about the PT when NSFL-PBE started the affiliation last season?

Oh yeah let's get some unbiased voices in here, like the people that will benefit from this change the most.

They are the PT people on those website Goilers and To being the heads respectively. If you can't take their opinion because they are 'on other league' you should question your view on integrity.

majesiu · 08-22-2018, 02:48 PM

08-22-2018, 01:58 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Maybe my biggest point of concern here is that each league is unique and that different leagues are good at different things, which allows us to cater to different audiences and ultimately reach more people. By trying to find one size fits all solutions we are taking away some of that uniqueness, make leagues more similar and weaken them in the long term because they lose their character. I don't think that the SHL is better than those other leagues, but it is different and that is a good thing. Not every league should have same TPE-system or the same roster rules or the same sim engine or the same userbase, some should be more casual and some should be more try-hard and so on.

But that's basically it, while the amount of overall effort needed to earn all possible TPE in NSFL/SHL/PBE is similar the methods are still different and require quite a lot of work in every league on it's own.
The only thing that can easily be shared since it has almost the same requirements (as in written task/graphic) is the basic weekly Point Task.
Other than that SHL has its funday weekends, NSFL replaced their weekend tasks (which were worth 2 TPE) with week-long Trivia Tasks, PBE has it's LPT - long point tasks - that run along PTs and awards 3 TPE too with some money.
Other than that you have independent predictions system: weekly, seasonal, mock drafts, playoffs - each concerning their own league.
Each league also has their own money and equipment system, that can't be joined (and there are no talks or even desire to do so - money is one of the main drives for media/graphic/league jobs generation, every league is using very different rates of earning that $ too).
While all these leagues are far away from being casual ones like SCOR/SFC/GOHML (which I also personally enjoy) - I'm rather sure they won't lose their character, just because as you mention every each one of them has their unique history, sim, sport. The only, but most important connection is bond with people, that gets only strengthened the more experience you share with them, which this affiliation should help with freeing more time for engaging experiences. If not for amazing people that got me here from PBE (and earlier into NSFL) there is a big chance I didn't have this opportunity.

08-22-2018, 01:58 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Like, I have seen so many new leagues be created over the leagues, most of them carbon-copies of the SHL or, even more frequently, the VHL, and almost all of them died. It took a long time for a third hockey sim league to establish itself in the GOMHL, and what was it what made them so successful? I'd argue it was the fact that they did NOT do what the SHL and VHL were already doing, but instead went for a new approach by creating a side-league with a very casual character that they grew in a controlled manner, with strict limitations on TPE-gain etc. And it worked very well for them and now we have three hockey sim leagues that can co-exist not because they aim to make things more similar, but because they are different and are aimed at different audiences. The more "hardcore" SHL, the "casual" GOMHL and the VHL that sits somewhere in between. Diversity between leagues is a very valuable thing.

Can we first get rid of the point these leagues are dying? PBE is in the middle of the season 6 hitting the highest number of active members both doing activity checks (over 90) and point tasks (over 60). We had 3 successful drafts in the row and found our own good method of recruitment that gets the league going - a lot of people coming from OOTP background already is participating in league jobs even as important as HO or streaming. One more draft and we will be nearing first expansion that is carefully planned.
NSFL is entering its 10th season, is even bigger and in good condition too.

The leagues you probably mention that died out didn't even start well and folded within few seasons like: Simulation Baseball League, United Sim Football League or Triple Crown Baseball League haven't survived nearly as long.

We are already quite established, with redundancy that guarantees league continuity. We don't come here as beggars needing help, but as people passionate about sim league world that welcomed this opportunity and happily expanded current NSFL-PBE Affiliation, welcoming other willing to contribute to the initiative. This isn't an untested solution, so far results were promising and we gathered overwhelmingly good feedback.
It's obviously not set in stone as PTs Affiliation might come and go, but at least giving everyone opportunity to gain some perspective and a small push to try all leagues seems like a decent enough opportunity.

08-22-2018, 01:58 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Now the NSFL and PBE do still have some of that diversity compared to the SHL due to the fact that they are about different spots, but making the progression systems of the three leagues more and more similar will not lead to more excitement and activity, but to people being more inclined to coast along and maybe even tire out quicker, because things are the same everywhere.

The progression systems are not getting more similar and weekly normal point tasks are the only element that is the same, as was mentioned in the first paragraph, if anything they are becoming more diverse and that's direction all leagues should probably go, because if there is one common stance in this thread is that current form of PTs feels like a chore not like an exciting thing you'd like spent some time doing it. Coasting along in other leagues was always a thing, but now people probably will be more inclined to spend more time on their players (which might be better too, and it's a rather fair statement that you enjoy the league more if your player is successful), since you get more time to even write media and talk in the locker room maybe even try league jobs, which are definitely more enjoyable than writing forced 150 words.
If anything that stops people from burning as it's avoiding repetitive tasks and giving them time to enjoy more fun aspects of the leagues.
The diversity doesn't end here, as mentioned sports are vastly different, PBE and NSFL gather quite big crowds during live streams too (far bigger than play by plays here). PBE doesn't have Thunderdome either since, to be honest, most of the people agreed it's quite an unnecessary place to have.

I welcome this opportunity to have a discussion since I see there is a lot of misinformation going on. I certainly hope everyone has good intentions in mind, we are all here to have fun and spent good time in the company of great people all around the world, aren't we?

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