Originally posted by Real Deal@Jul 4 2013, 05:46 PM


And I never said he played 6 minutes a game so.....

No he did in his interview haha :lol:

Ya for like a few games but that's not really long enough to 'not produce'. Any good player goes cold at times. Carlyle just don't like him, and once the old dinosaur doesn't like someone that's it.

Originally posted by Taylor@Jul 4 2013, 05:47 PM

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84751...id=nhl-keymatch
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84713...id=nhl-keymatch

Definitely wasn't playing 3C start of the season.

Doesn't show PP/PK time there which he certainly got a lot of to start the season. Kadri did not.....and really other than the 1st game Kadri had pretty much the same ice time. Grabovski had PP/PK time while Kadri got very little PP time and like no PK time.

Originally posted by jkrever@Jul 4 2013, 05:50 PM
Ya for like a few games but that's not really long enough to 'not produce'. Any good player goes cold at times. Carlyle just don't like him, [b] and once the old dinosaur doesn't like someone that's it.[/b]

Him and Kadri played the same minutes up in till like March 7th... (excluding the beginning when Grabovski was playing up to 20mins a game)

Bolded Comment: Smh.

Originally posted by Real Deal@Jul 4 2013, 05:52 PM


Doesn't show PP/PK time there which he certainly got a lot of to start the season. Kadri did not.....and really other than the 1st game Kadri had pretty much the same ice time. Grabovski had PP/PK time while Kadri got very little PP time and like no PK time.

Grabovski didn't start as the 3C. The end.

Originally posted by jkrever@Jul 4 2013, 05:50 PM
Ya for like a few games but that's not really long enough to 'not produce'. Any good player goes cold at times. Carlyle just don't like him, and once the old dinosaur doesn't like someone that's it.

I mean Kessel doesn't score for like 10+ games and he doesn't get moved. lol

Well he shouldn't play above Bozak or Kadri. What are you gonna do then?

Originally posted by Real Deal@Jul 4 2013, 05:54 PM


I mean Kessel doesn't score for like 10+ games and he doesn't get moved. lol

This would be because Kessel was still at least putting up points. Besides Kessel is an elite scorer who is a game changer. You don't bench a game changing player.

Originally posted by Taylor@Jul 4 2013, 05:54 PM

Grabovski didn't start as the 3C. The end.

1 - It's pretty hard to talk about 2/3 C on Leafs seeing as they were interchangeable.

2 - Grabovski since the start of the year was forced to play against the other teams top line....also a reason why he had more icetime than Kadri being the shutdown role

3 - Like I said, Carlyle never liked Grabovski since he came. He doesn't play like Carlyle wants him too.



I mean he's gone now so not sure why this is even a conversation atm. lol

Originally posted by Taylor@Jul 4 2013, 05:58 PM

This would be because Kessel was still at least putting up points. Besides Kessel is an elite scorer who is a game changer. You don't bench a game changing player.

Kessel had 6 points in his first 10 games....4 in his first 9.....he never saw a demotion at all....you're being hypocritical

And now people are going to let their emotions get involved when this was clearly the best thing for the team moving forward.

Originally posted by Real Deal@Jul 4 2013, 06:00 PM


Kessel had 6 points in his first 10 games....4 in his first 9.....he never saw a demotion at all....you're being hypocritical

and Grabovski had 5pts, all coming in 3 games. Grabovski was playing pretty bad whereas Kessel was actually playing very well and getting quality scoring chances. Like I said above, Kessel is also a game changer, you don't demote a player like that definitely when they are playing well and just on a slump. Not being hypocritical at all.

Originally posted by Wheelz@Jul 4 2013, 06:02 PM
And now people are going to let their emotions get involved when this was clearly the best thing for the team moving forward.

Indeed. It is the best move going forward. Hopefully they can grab Weiss with this.

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And I'm not a huge Carlyle fan. But honestly, Grabo is just being immature with those comments about the coaching staff. You take the role that your given and you play your ass off for the good of the team and usually, almost always, if you play well enough the coach will give you a bigger role. That's not something Grabovski did last season. At no point did he even put pressure on Carlyle.