Quote:Originally posted by Wally@Dec 14 2017, 01:02 PM


I get you are fighting for your player... I would too.  But look at this...

Ben Dover
[b]Thru 36 Games
Goals: 11
Assists: 28
Points: 39
+/-: +1
Hits: 112
Shots Blocked: 68

Zander Rhys
Thru 50 Games
Goals: 7
Assists: 31
Points: 38
+/-: 0
Hits: 105
Shots Blocked: 106

So for comparison here are the 14 games Dover played at forward:
Goals: 13
Assists: 8
Points: 21
+/-: -2
Hits: 49
Shots Blocked: 19

By definition of both the SHL and NHL versions of the award it is awarded to the league's best defenseman.  So now 14 games out of position, negates Dover from being a defenseman at all?  What is he than... a 14-game forward?  You forget about the 36 games he played as a defensemen that, outside of Shot Blocks, out paced Rhys in literally 14 less games?! 

What, should Dover be removed as a defenseman as well on the All-Star teams?  How does that even make sense... I'm absolutely not saying judge Dover based on a projection.  But shit, I would take Dover over Rhys on every puck drop at any position.  Don't tell me you or any one else here can't take into account that he was a 1.08 ppg performer, was a +1, had 112 hits and 68 shots blocked all within 36 games.  Now all of a sudden, 14 games don't matter.  Bogus.  No he may not have won the defensive award, but he sure as hell was one of the top 3 defenseman in the league in S37... hands down.  He just took it a step further to prove he may have been one of the best all-around players in the league as well.[/b]

These are 2 separate arguments that you're trying to blend into one.

Dover only played 36 games as a defenseman. At what point do you become ineligible for an award based on games played? Let's look at it this way.

Dover should win the 2 way forward award! Look at all those stats 19 shots blocks, 49 hits, he only played 14 games sure but IMAGINE if he played 50! WOW!

It's not a comparison of Rhys and Dover, Dover is ineligible. It's a comparison between Rhys and the other defensemen not named Malkin or Garbanzo. And it's a pretty easy case in my eyes, 100+ hits and 100+ SB, he was easily better than the guys around him.