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ThatDamnMcJesus/Confusion Regression Penalties
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(This post was last modified: 06-28-2019, 08:30 AM by ztevans.)

*sigh* ... Alright, let's break this down a bit. I really didn't want to do this and throw either user (or other people, such as updaters) under the bus, but since everyone seems to be very concerned about what I thought were two very minor punishments, here we go.

Some factors to consider...
- As noted by others in the thread, this is not Confusion's first time having issues with regression. He also managed to check off literally every single checkbox for regression circumvention (double claiming trainings, claiming S47 tasks that after regression was posted and not factoring them into his regression totals, etc.). We have no reason to believe this was intentional, but it's the definition of circumvention. He also failed at his attempt to correct the issue when it was first presented.
- Hallsy brought his situation to HO (before I was in it) and worked to reach an amicable conclusion to the issue. Also, people saying he simply "didn't do it" are not quite telling the truth. He posted a regression. It was not a valid one, but it also didn't include any of the earmarks noted above of "circumvention." A case could be made that's something that needs to be cleaned up in the rulebook, but since people are very hung up on them being "guilty of the same thing" ... according to the document we use as it is currently written, they're not. One of those deals where either we get killed for making up the rules as we go or we get killed for using a shitty rule. Knew this going in.
- The larger issue at hand, honestly, is that either player made it into the sim without proper regression. We are already working on stopgaps to prevent that in the future, but it shouldn't have happened.
- If it's any consolation (I'm aware, it's not) the TPE totals used in Confusion's punishment were literally the most conservative estimate we could come up with because, even after a conversation with his updater, we could not discern with any certainty how much he was actually over. Also, as Eggy noted, we could have opted to suspend Shirobokov for the duration of the time he was "over" as we did with Dover, which would have nearly ended his season. Instead, we took into consideration his repeated if unsuccessful attempts to resolve the issue, which were not handled in a timely manner which is no fault of his own.
- As always, both teams have the option to appeal, etc., and as noted in the OP Chicago will be appealing the TPE penalty to Confusion, which will be handled by the appeals committee (not me don't yell at me).

And to directly answer @Baelor Swift, since I think he brings up a good point I want to touch on and not because I'm trying to shit on him Laughing, I (NOTE: I as in ztevans, not speaking on behalf of all of HO here) honestly hope we can actually move in a direction where we aren't going "full medieval" and ignoring the reasons behind rules being broken when we hand out these punishment, because for both of these players the punishments would have been much more severe had we done so. Hallsy would have lost an ungodly amount of TPE if you deemed it circumvention (for whatever it's worth to a retiring player), and as noted above Confusion's season would basically be over.

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RE: ThatDamnMcJesus/Confusion Regression Penalties - by ztevans - 06-28-2019, 08:29 AM



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