12-19-2024, 12:14 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Secondly, no one is saying those things shouldn't be communicated. As I explained in the other thread, everyone in HO and on the sim team agreed that we would like better communication on these things. No one, at least no one who has any say in how these things are run, is arguing that we don't want that communication. The issue is that even after that point is agreed upon, people keep pressing the issue, people keep having to get their little quips in, people keep having to come in hours after the discussion has concluded and add their "WELL I JUST THINK" points to it. It's not constructive to have multiple sets of GMs coming down on a simmer for the same exact thing head office and the sim team has already discussed with them.

That's the issue here. We aren't saying "shit happens, shut up and put up" we are saying that when shit happens, we, the people who run the thing, will deal with it, and we are asking for the rest of the site to trust that we are handling it and that they do not need to dish out this public flogging to make sure the simmer feels shitty enough about what they did.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's not just the GM side though. While I do understand sim team having frustrations with negative feedback, there is no reason to maliciously respond in the nature Wally did.

My response was specifically to Ruggsy posting "But if something like delayed sims without contact puts you off the league that much you should buckle up cause it's gonna happen again." and I felt the need to reiterate that we understand delays will come and will understand. There is clearly a misunderstanding of why frustrations boiled over there.

12-19-2024, 12:15 PMFrenchie Wrote: However we approach it, the general climate around the simming process as a whole regardless of the individual simmers is so incredibly unhealthy in our expectations and our sense of entitlement, and I am the first to come forward in that i've failed in the past to recognize this, and needs to change. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction.

I'm also guilty of this and support whatever cause of action we're taking to curb the general attitude towards simmers. I don't want to see dedicated users piled on over things and I don't want to see GMs pushed away either because their feedback is met with attacks.

Text leagues/discord communication is difficult and just invites anger to blossom with reactionary messages. I've been at fault for that far too many times and felt the need to jump in when I saw things escalating against someone close to me. It's a whole messy situation that I understand has been bubbling for more than some time and I hope to be someone who can help curb it moving forward. Appreciate y'all getting this out there.