Quote: Originally posted by malcontentcapsfan @Feb 24 2014, 03:55 PM
As you can see from my answer to that question, to me they definitely have value. You need balance on your team, but when you find a strong shut down defender, you hang onto them for dear life.
It's not as flashy on the stat sheet, simple as that. People want to see their name and have people talk about their accomplishments. It's human nature and I completely understand it.
Guy Incognito - D - #24Season 81 Guy Incognito || D || Tampa Bay Barracuda || 2019 TPE Name: Guy Incognito Age: 33 Height: 6'1" Weight: 190 lbs Number: 24 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Regular Season Statistics S72|Elk|[G 10] [A 15] [Pts 25] [+/- +7] [PIM 50] [Hits 124] [SB 131] S73|Elk|[G 17] [A 40] [Pts 57] [+/- +8] [PIM 30] [Hits 123] [SB 170] S74|Elk|[G 11] [A 30] [Pts 41] [+/- -9] [PIM 42] [Hits 132] [SB 123] S75|Elk|[G 16] [A 33] [Pts 49] [+/- +12] [PIM 40] [Hits 119] [SB 119] S76|Renegades|[G 7] [A 13] [Pts 20] [+/- +27] [PIM 36] [Hits 37] [SB 125] S77|Renegades|[G 4] [A 17] [Pts 21] [+/- +26] [PIM 28] [Hits 43] [SB 179] S78|Renegades|[G 6] [A 31] [Pts 37] [+/- +39] [PIM 42] [Hits 66] [SB 128] S79|Renegades|[G 8] [A 21] [Pts 29] [+/- -2] [PIM 42] [Hits 69] [SB 156] S80|Renegades|[G 15] [A 33] [Pts 48] [+/- +13] [PIM 67] [Hits 79] [SB 168] Career|[G 40] [A 115] [Pts 155] [+/- +103] [PIM 215] [Hits 294] [SB 756] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Playoff Statistics S72|Elk|[G 0] [A 0] [Pts 0] [+/- -4] [PIM 0] [Hits 4] [SB 13] S73|Elk|[G 1] [A 3] [Pts 4] [+/- -5] [PIM 4] [Hits 9] [SB 16] S74|Elk|[G 2] [A 1] [Pts 3] [+/- -5] [PIM 4] [Hits 7] [SB 16] S75|Elk|[G 1] [A 2] [Pts 3] [+/- 2] [PIM 4] [Hits 17] [SB 18] S76|Renegades|[G 0] [A 4] [Pts 4] [+/- -2] [PIM 2] [Hits 4] [SB 27] S77|Renegades|[G 2] [A 4] [Pts 6] [+/- +7] [PIM 2] [Hits 14] [SB 57] S78|Renegades|[G 2] [A 4] [Pts 6] [+/- +4] [PIM 4] [Hits 15] [SB 43] S79|Renegades|[G 1] [A 6] [Pts 7] [+/- +3] [PIM 8] [Hits 14] [SB 38] S80|Renegades|[G 4] [A 6] [Pts 10] [+/- +5] [PIM 10] [Hits 16] [SB 62] Career|[G 9] [A 24] [Pts 33] [+/- +17] [PIM 26] [Hits 63] [SB 227] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S72|Elk|36-29-1 - 73pts (Round 1) S73|Elk|34-26-6 - 74pts (Round 2) S74|Elk|26-38-2 - 54pts (Round 1) S75|Elk|35-24-7 - 77pts (Round 1) S76|Renegades|47-17-2 - 96pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S77|Renegades|44-18-4 - 92pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S78|Renegades|48-15-3 - 99pts (Western Conference Finals) S79|Renegades|44-21-1 - 89pts (Western Conference Finals) S80|Renegades|38-24-4 - 80pts (Western Conference Finals) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: S72: Drafted 8th overall by the Regina Elk S73: Drafted 11th overall by the Texas Renegades S81: Traded from TEX to BAP to TBB ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S73: Won Quilha Agante Trophy S73: Won Alex Light Trophy Won 1 WJC Medal (Bronze) Won 4 IIHF Medals (3 Gold, 1 Bronze) Peak TPE count: 2019 ------------------------------------------------------------ Damian Littleton || D || Retired Name: Damian Littleton Age: 22 Height: 6'2" Weight: 230 lbs Number: 24 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL Regular Season Statistics Career|[G 30] [A 123] [Pts 153] [+/- +9] [PIM 527] [Hits 580] [SB 495] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL Playoff Statistics Career|[G 4] [A 20] [Pts 24] [+/- +3] [PIM 68] [Hits 86] [SB 72] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S1|Jets|23-12-5 – 51pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S2|Jets|22-13-5 – 49pts (West Division Finals) S3|Jets|18-14-8 – 44pts (West Division Finals) S4|Jets|19-19-2 – 40pts (West Division Finals) S5|Jets|24-15-5 – 53pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S6|Jets|25-21-14 – 64pts (Missed Playoffs) S7|Jets|25-19-6 – 56pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S8|Jets|21-20-9 – 51pts (Missed Playoffs) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: GM of the Winnipeg Jets ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S1: SHL Challenge Cup Champion S3: Won the Scott Stevens Trophy S7: SHL Challenge Cup Champion S7: Won the JJ Krever Trophy S7: Won the Damian Littleton Trophy ------------------------------------------------------------ Lance Uppercut || D || Retired Name: Lance Uppercut Age: 22 Height: 6'2" Weight: 200 lbs Number: 9 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/NWJHL Regular Season Statistics S8|Falcons|[G 5] [A 31] [Pts 36] [+/- +47] [PIM 98] [Hits 73] [SB 54] Career|[G 106] [A 341] [Pts 447] [+/- +83] [PIM 775] [Hits 1258] [SB 842] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/NWJHL Playoff Statistics S8|Falcons|[G 1] [A 4] [Pts 5] [+/- +15] [PIM 28] [Hits 14] [SB 19] Career|[G 8] [A 36] [Pts 44] [+/- +6] [PIM 101] [Hits 163] [SB 144] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S8|Falcons|33-5-2 - 68pts (Four Star Cup Finals) S9|Jets|32-14-4 - 68pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S10|Jets|30-14-6 - 66pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S11|Jets|36-11-3 - 75pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S12|Jets|31-16-3 - 65pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S13|Jets|31-13-6 - 68pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S14|Jets|24-21-5 - 58pts (Western Conference Finals) S15|Jets|22-21-7 - 51pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S16|Jets|22-21-7 - 51pts (Missed Playoffs) S17|Jets|22-23-5 - 49pts (Missed Playoffs) S18|Jets|27-17-6 - 60pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S19|Jets|30-18-2 - 64pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S20|Jets|26-18-6 - 52pts (Western Conference Finals) S21|Jets|22-24-6 - 50pts (Missed Playoffs) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: Drafted 5th overall by the Detroit Falcons ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S9: Won the Ryan Jesster Trophy S19: Won the JJ Krever Trophy ------------------------------------------------------------ Rembrandt Q. Einstein || D || Retired Name: Rembrandt Q. Einstein Age: 25 Height: 6'5" Weight: 215 lbs Number: 44 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Regular Season Statistics S21|Impact|[G 2] [A 29] [Pts 31] [+/- -17] [PIM 23] [Hits 20] [SB 52] Career|[G 75] [A 440] [Pts 515] [+/- +34] [PIM 537] [Hits 975] [SB 1034] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Playoff Statistics S21|Impact|[G 0] [A 3] [Pts 3] [+/- -5] [PIM 2] [Hits 3] [SB 2] Career|[G 7] [A 27] [Pts 34] [+/- -2] [PIM 58] [Hits 102] [SB 103] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S21|Impact|11-22-7 - 29pts (Eastern Conference Semi-Finals) S22|Jets|34-14-4 - 72pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S23|Jets|23-22-7 - 53pts (Missed Playoffs) S24|Jets|30-18-4 - 64pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S25|Jets|31-13-6 - 68pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S26|Jets|28-17-5 - 61pts (Western Conference Finals) S27|Jets|25-22-3 - 53pts (Missed Playoffs) S28|Jets|27-15-8 - 62pts (Western Conference Finals) S29|Jets|27-20-3 - 57pts (Missed Playoffs) S30|Jets|20-19-11 - 51pts (Missed Playoffs) S31|Jets|13-30-6 - 32pts (Missed Playoffs) S32|Jets|22-21-7 - 51pts (Missed Playoffs) S33|Jets|27-20-3 - 57pts (Missed Playoffs) S34|Jets|26-16-8 - 60pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S35|Jets|28-21-1 - 57pts (Missed Playoffs) S36|Jets|30-16-4 - 64pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: Drafted 4th overall by the Montreal Impact ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S22: Won the JJ Krever Trophy S25: Won the Joe McKeil Trophy S28: Won the Joe McKeil Trophy S28: Won the Vidrik Onoprienko Lifetime Achievement Award ------------------------------------------------------------ Hercules Rockefeller || LW || Retired Name: Hercules Rockefeller Age: 27 Height: 5'11" Weight: 195 lbs Number: 24 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Regular Season Statistics S36|Raiders|[G 7] [A 2] [Pts 9] [+/- -11] [PIM 4] [Hits 40] [SB 1] S37|Raiders|[G 14] [A 10] [Pts 24] [+/- +3] [PIM 14] [Hits 45] [SB 1] Career|[G 270] [A 325] [Pts 595] [+/- +157] [PIM 206] [Hits 709] [SB 197] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Playoff Statistics S36|Raiders|[G 3] [A 1] [Pts 4] [+/- -2] [PIM 0] [Hits 8] [SB 0] S37|Raiders|[G 1] [A 1] [Pts 2] [+/- -1] [PIM 2] [Hits 6] [SB 0] Career|[G 48] [A 54] [Pts 102] [+/- -26] [PIM 30] [Hits 145] [SB 47] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S36|Raiders|28-18-4 - 60pts (Four Star Cup Final) S37|Raiders|32-10-8 - 72pts (Eastern Conference Finals) S38|Blizzard|19-25-6 - 44pts (Missed Playoffs) S39|Blizzard|28-20-2 - 58pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S40|Blizzard|27-15-8 - 62pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S41|Blizzard|32-13-5 - 69pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S42|Blizzard|30-15-5 - 65pts (Western Conference Finals) S43|Blizzard|23-23-4 - 50pts (Missed Playoffs) S44|Blizzard|35-11-4 - 74pts (Western Conference Finals) S45|Blizzard|41-6-3 - 85pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S46|Blizzard|24-21-5 - 53pts (Western Conference Wild Card) S47|Blizzard|33-16-1 - 67pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S48|Blizzard|25-20-5 - 55pts (Western Conference Wild Card) S49|Blizzard|26-22-2 - 54pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S50|Blizzard|28-19-3 - 59pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S51|Blizzard|32-14-4 - 68pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S52|Blizzard|29-18-3 - 61pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S53|Blizzard|32-13-5 - 69pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S54|Blizzard|29-18-3 - 61pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: Drafted 3rd overall by the Halifax Raiders Drafted 3rd overall by the Edmonton Blizzard ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S45: SHL Record for highest +/- in a season (+42) S49: Won the Anton Razov Trophy Won 9 IIHF Medals (5 Gold, 1 Silver, 3 Bronze) ------------------------------------------------------------ Rock Strongo || C || Retired Name: Rock Strongo Age: 30 Height: 6'3" Weight: 220 lbs Number: 9 ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Regular Season Statistics S55|Raptors|[G 14] [A 18] [Pts 32] [+/- +10] [PIM 12] [Hits 19] [SB 8] S56|Raptors/Battleborn|[G 7] [A 18] [Pts 25] [+/- +2] [PIM 16] [Hits 42] [SB 18] S57|Battleborn|[G 9] [A 26] [Pts 35] [+/- -3] [PIM 22] [Hits 66] [SB 29] Career|[G 332] [A 518] [Pts 850] [+/- +145] [PIM 302] [Hits 1298] [SB 493] ------------------------------------------------------------ SHL/SMJHL Playoff Statistics S55|Raptors|[G 0] [A 3] [Pts 3] [+/- EVEN] [PIM 2] [Hits 1] [SB 2] S56|Battleborn|[G 1] [A 0] [Pts 1] [+/- +1] [PIM 0] [Hits 1] [SB 2] S57|Battleborn|[G 0] [A 1] [Pts 1] [+/- +2] [PIM 0] [Hits 7] [SB 2] Career|[G 54] [A 68] [Pts 122] [+/- +11] [PIM 22] [Hits 224] [SB 56] ------------------------------------------------------------ Team Record S55|Raptors|27-18-5 - 59pts (Round 2) S56|Battleborn|28-18-4 - 60pts (Round 2) S57|Battleborn|30-29-7 - 67pts (Round 1) S58|Monarchs|23-36-7 - 53pts (Missed Playoffs) S59|Monarchs|30-34-2 - 62pts (Missed Playoffs) S60|Monarchs|29-31-6 - 64pts (Round 1) S61|Monarchs|30-30-6 - 66pts (Round 1) S62|Panthers|42-22-2 - 86pts (Western Conference Finals) S63|Panthers|36-24-6 - 78pts (Challenge Cup Finals) S64|Panthers|44-14-8 - 96pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S65|Panthers|50-14-2 - 102pts (SHL CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS) S66|Panthers|45-17-4 - 94pts (Western Conference Semi-Finals) S67|Panthers|38-26-2 - 78pts (Round 1) S68|North Stars|46-16-4 - 96pts (Eastern Conference Semi-Finals) S69|Patriotes|50-15-1 - 101pts (Eastern Conference Semi-Finals) S70|Patriotes|46-17-3 - 95pts (Eastern Conference Semi-Finals) S71|Patriotes|50-15-1 - 101pts (Round 1) ------------------------------------------------------------ Transactions: S55: Drafted 7th overall by the Colorado Raptors S56: Drafted 3rd overall by the Minnesota Monarchs S56: Traded from Colorado to Nevada S62: Signed with Los Angeles Panthers S68: Traded from Los Angeles to Toronto S69: Traded from Toronto to Montreal ------------------------------------------------------------ Awards & Achievements S55: Won the Esa Anrikkanen Trophy Won 3 WJC Medals (Gold, Silver, Bronze) Won 6 IIHF Medals (1 Gold, 3 Silver, 2 Bronze) Peak TPE count: 2106 ------------------------------------------------------------
Leafs4ever
Follow up question : Do shutdown defenders have value in the SHL or do you have to be a point scorer to be a top pairing defender? And can you explain why there are so few defensive forwards in the SHL?