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***39alaska39*** · 10-23-2024, 01:32 PM

Can I ask what the thinking was on not simply delaying the sim until after they had to have a valid roster? Seems like knowing a team has an over budget roster and saying yeah whatever just let them play more is an odd decision

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***Frenchie*** · 10-23-2024, 01:35 PM

10-23-2024, 01:22 PMSburbine Wrote: We are a sim league trying to mimic the NHL after all, it only makes sense.

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***Frenchie*** · 10-23-2024, 01:50 PM

10-23-2024, 01:32 PM39alaska39 Wrote: Can I ask what the thinking was on not simply delaying the sim until after they had to have a valid roster? Seems like knowing a team has an over budget roster and saying yeah whatever just let them play more is an odd decision

There was then no way to have a sim today if we didn't go that route, which in itself causes a load more complications. Its an imperfect solution to a complicated situation.

***39alaska39*** · 10-23-2024, 02:02 PM

10-23-2024, 01:50 PMFrenchie Wrote: There was then no way to have a sim today if we didn't go that route, which in itself causes a load more complications. Its an imperfect solution to a complicated situation.

I don’t see how saying “let the illegal team play while illegal more” is better than “hey no sim today to deal with that situation, we’ll find a way to have a Saturday sim to fix the schedule”

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Fluw · 10-23-2024, 02:02 PM

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***Frenchie*** · 10-23-2024, 02:06 PM

10-23-2024, 02:02 PM39alaska39 Wrote: I don’t see how saying “let the illegal team play while illegal more” is better than “hey no sim today to deal with that situation, we’ll find a way to have a Saturday sim to fix the schedule”

because we don't have spare simmers waiting in the wings to sim at any given time. We're already dealing with sim team changes that impact our flexibility with simming schedules, so i'm sorry this isn't the ideal outcome but that's literally the best we could do.

***frithjofr*** · 10-23-2024, 04:47 PM

10-23-2024, 02:06 PMFrenchie Wrote: because we don't have spare simmers waiting in the wings to sim at any given time. We're already dealing with sim team changes that impact our flexibility with simming schedules, so i'm sorry this isn't the ideal outcome but that's literally the best we could do.

Not really trying to get into the weeds over this, and definitely not trying to make you respond to what's already a long comment chain, but I've been kind of quietly wondering for a while now why we can't just like float a week at the end of the seasons where we still plan/schedule simmers, but don't have any planned games. That way if there is any sort of delay we're not trying to cram a double sim or play a team with an illegal roster, we're just bumping all the games down one day and using up one of the floated days in reserve. If there are no issues in a given season, great, we just bin that week and move along.

I don't think this has really caused a lot of issues, but I've seen several times (and this may be more of an IIHF thing...) the reason for XYZ happening being the schedule is so tight, but it's also like... We make our own schedule here. Why not be kind to ourselves?

scudmuffin19 · 10-23-2024, 05:21 PM

ngl idk how you even get to the pre-season and not have your roster ironed out prior to the first sim, let alone have it continue into the regular season and spill over. i could get one, maybe two FAs or trades still goin back and forth on but 99% of the time the roster should be set by then no? or should i chalk it up to the trade market here that i still have trouble comprehending

CementHands · 10-23-2024, 06:54 PM

That’s a lot of moolah! Looking forward to seeing the follow up punishment for being late on gm tasks, and accompanying ho failure to check gm tasks which will surely come any day :eyes:

*Pyro182* · 10-23-2024, 06:59 PM

10-23-2024, 04:47 PMfrithjofr Wrote: Not really trying to get into the weeds over this, and definitely not trying to make you respond to what's already a long comment chain, but I've been kind of quietly wondering for a while now why we can't just like float a week at the end of the seasons where we still plan/schedule simmers, but don't have any planned games. That way if there is any sort of delay we're not trying to cram a double sim or play a team with an illegal roster, we're just bumping all the games down one day and using up one of the floated days in reserve. If there are no issues in a given season, great, we just bin that week and move along.

I don't think this has really caused a lot of issues, but I've seen several times (and this may be more of an IIHF thing...) the reason for XYZ happening being the schedule is so tight, but it's also like... We make our own schedule here. Why not be kind to ourselves?

My guees to the no float week solution is that the offseason is already a little long, so adding in another week of waiting would just make the offseason waiting worse

***sköldpaddor*** · 10-23-2024, 07:08 PM

10-23-2024, 06:54 PMCementHands Wrote: That’s a lot of moolah! Looking forward to seeing the follow up punishment for being late on gm tasks, and accompanying ho failure to check gm tasks which will surely come any day :eyes:

Actually already addressed here as to why this was the punishment and not the other thing that was discussed.

MrPresident · 10-23-2024, 07:54 PM

10-23-2024, 01:22 PMSburbine Wrote: We are a sim league trying to mimic the NHL after all, it only makes sense.

Sounds good. HO can revise the punishment to first round exits and missed playoffs indefinitely for Toronto then.

CementHands · 10-23-2024, 08:06 PM

10-23-2024, 07:08 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Actually already addressed here as to why this was the punishment and not the other thing that was discussed.

Ok and having read that I’m still confused at which part of gm tasks not being done is being referenced. If the budget check was done appropriately by budget team (look for accept on the contract post), and the audit that as far as I know head office is still supposed to be double checking, otherwise what are they getting paid big bucks for? It was time consuming when I worked head office, but part of the job in keeping the site moving smoothly and in this case would have avoided a team eating a $10M cap penalty next season, which will be pretty crippling to them.
If budget did their job and checked this post it seems it would have been caught, and if head office approved the gm task completion without actually checking its completion then that’s grounds for losing their job. I am a squeaky wheel on this because I view it as an un nessecary thing to happen once the season is underway, as we have multiple layers of checks in place to catch these oversights.

***sköldpaddor*** · 10-23-2024, 08:13 PM

10-23-2024, 08:06 PMCementHands Wrote: Ok and having read that I’m still confused at which part of gm tasks not being done is being referenced. If the budget check was done appropriately by budget team (look for accept on the contract post), and the audit that as far as I know head office is still supposed to be double checking, otherwise what are they getting paid big bucks for? It was time consuming when I worked head office, but part of the job in keeping the site moving smoothly and in this case would have avoided a team eating a $10M cap penalty next season, which will be pretty crippling to them.
If budget did their job and checked this post it seems it would have been caught, and if head office approved the gm task completion without actually checking its completion then that’s grounds for losing their job. I am a squeaky wheel on this because I view it as an un nessecary thing to happen once the season is underway, as we have multiple layers of checks in place to catch these oversights.

I'm sorry, are you saying that we should fire all of head office because of a budget error that budget, the GMs involved, the players involved, and head office all missed?

The official budget was not up to date with all contract tier adjustments until today. Toronto's internal budget was not accurate. There were multiple checks and balances that failed here, and we are still working through some other lingering budget issues, but I certainly don't think the solution is just to fire everybody.

CementHands · 10-23-2024, 08:43 PM

10-23-2024, 08:13 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: I'm sorry, are you saying that we should fire all of head office because of a budget error that budget, the GMs involved, the players involved, and head office all missed?

The official budget was not up to date with all contract tier adjustments until today. Toronto's internal budget was not accurate. There were multiple checks and balances that failed here, and we are still working through some other lingering budget issues, but I certainly don't think the solution is just to fire everybody.

Nope, that’s not at all what I said and taken like that sounds like quite the nuclear option! This was me asking why wasn’t it caught at the gm task approval stage, because even if torontos internal budget was wrong, the official budget should not have been.
I asked why no other punishments because gm tasks is where this should have been caught imo. In my eyes the failure on so many levels is egregious, and I brought up job loss because I assume someone checked the status of gm tasks being complete, which they were not, and agreed that they were complete, again which they were not.
TLDR I’m asking how this got as far as it did. Yet again something that should be caught in gm tasks is missed and becomes a much bigger issue.
I’ll accept I am meming a little asking about gm task punishments, but only because this seems to be something that keeps failing.

So, am I correct in assuming these are just not being audited at all, or is there corrective action coming? This is not the first gm punishment thread I’ve asked about tasks on, and we all know it won’t be the last. What is the terms of the head office positions now, because when I did it double checking tasks was part of the job.

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