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King · 11-23-2018, 11:47 AM

I thought one way we could celebrate the SHL's 50th anniversary is to look back at the SHL's first 50 years and rename some of the awards.

The trophies were all named after S5, and so were based on five seasons of history. Since then a lot has happened and a lot has changed and I think the names could be more meaningful.

Like the Scott Stevens is named after a guy who played 6 seasons http://beaujeauxbeaux.azurewebsites.net/...ater?pi=42 and had a pretty average career. Compare that to Darian Scherbluk, Chris Partlow or (who I think the award should be named after) Alonzo Garbanzo @ArGarBarGar.

Or another one is the Rocket which was renamed the Jay McDonald. McDonald played for 9 seasons in an era which was easier to score, and never had more than 23 goals. Compare that with VLAD McZehrl who passed 30 goals six times, and didn't play in the inflation era or 52 game era. @Chris-McZehrl. He scored 30+ goals 5 seasons in a row, and holds the non-inflation record for most goals in a season. I can't find another player to have scored 30+ four times in there entire career.

Anyways, I think we could make a big event out of it. Like have 5 nominees for the name of each trophy. Then have a discussion thread open for the season where we all discuss.

EDIT: Learned that uppercut is Leafs

Sleepy · 11-23-2018, 12:18 PM

Idk, I feel like renaming an award every so often just because someone has a groundbreaking player cheapens the legacy of all the people who won the award beforehand. I personally think it’s cool the award are named after some the oldest players that existed in the SHL. Nothing against the guys you suggested, I just don’t think this is something in the SHL that needs fixing right now

Chris-McZehrl · 11-23-2018, 12:25 PM

the only thing what I can see ... are those players they are really from the inflation era of the award names! or had just one or two good seasons like Karpotsov! consistency is the word what we should look after award names.

Keygan · 11-23-2018, 12:29 PM

Esa already has an award named after him he doesn’t need a second one. @King

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 11-23-2018, 01:30 PM

Occasionally looking into renaming an award or two does make sense but we should still tread carefully and not overdo it. After all, the award names are meant to honor people who were instrumental in initially setting up this league and helping it thrive early on, they are not necessarily mean to honor the absolute best player there ever was in said position. With the different eras that the SHL went through this would be super tough to determine anyway because players at different times had much different opportunities.

Some of your reasoning is a bit off too if I may say so because it doesn't account for how different the league used to be when the awards where first named. Careers early on were just sooooo different compared to how they are today. Due to the TPE and regression structure it was pretty much impossible to play longer than 6-8 seasons and be productive, defensemen rarely ever scored more than 25 points due to the different version of the sim engine that was used etc... That's why guys like Stevens or McDonald aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

With that being said, some players who have awards named after them are more legendary than others so if we were to look into renaming some of them, then the Stevens and the McDonald would indeed be first in line (as they aren't Mexico or McBride caliber), maybe along with the Ferguson and the Razov. Hard no to renaming the Uppercut though, Leafs is a legend who contributed hugely to building up this league and was the GM with the longest tenure until quite recently. I don't see his name ever being replaced there.

JumpierPegasus · 11-23-2018, 01:40 PM

I mean there are awards in the NHL that don't have a huge connotation to that player. Like if they were in the business of renaming awards, the Art Ross would be the Gretzky Trophy

I don't know if renaming them is necessary, it's good to pay homage to some of those players who helped build the league up from the start. Like McDonald and Mexico absolutely battled it out over the first 6 seasons or so as to who the best player was. McDonald helped Edmonton win tons of Cups to start the league. Neat to homage that history that many don't know

I wouldn't be opposed to some changes, such as the Stevens, but I can't think of many. Not the McBride, not the Jesster, not the Uppercut (for sure not the Uppercut, is revolt of that was renamed), not the Razov (there is a reason we award the most clutch performer that, it's a great story)

Don't need to change for the sake of change, but there are maybe a few that could be renamed because their namesakes weren't incredible

DeletedAtUserRequest · 11-23-2018, 01:44 PM

The one award that really seems change worthy to me is the turd Ferguson award for most PIMs. Danny Foster won that award seven straight times.. A record that will never be broken. Meanwhile the turd Ferguson who we named the award after played a total of 4 seasons.

I actually sent out an awards poll link three seasons ago and one of the questions was about changing some of the award names. It did have support for some name changes but only 18 people took the poll. For me, iit would need league wide support to change to an award name.

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**RomanesEuntDomus** · 11-23-2018, 01:53 PM

11-23-2018, 01:40 PMJumpierPancakes Wrote: I mean there are awards in the NHL that don't have a huge connotation to that player. Like if they were in the business of renaming awards, the Art Ross would be the Gretzky Trophy

I don't know if renaming them is necessary, it's good to pay homage to some of those players who helped build the league up from the start. Like McDonald and Mexico absolutely battled it out over the first 6 seasons or so as to who the best player was. McDonald helped Edmonton win tons of Cups to start the league. Neat to homage that history that many don't know

I wouldn't be opposed to some changes, such as the Stevens, but I can't think of many. Not the McBride, not the Jesster, not the Uppercut (for sure not the Uppercut, is revolt of that was renamed), not the Razov (there is a reason we award the most clutch performer that, it's a great story)

Don't need to change for the sake of change, but there are maybe a few that could be renamed because their namesakes weren't incredible

Can you remind me what Razov's story is very quickly? I think I joined shortly after it happened and all i've seen from him since when looking at the record books were very average regular season stats.

ThatDamnWalrus · 11-23-2018, 01:56 PM

A McZ award gets my vote.

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ArGarBarGar · 11-23-2018, 02:07 PM

The only award I can think of changing is the Stevens, but only because it is named after an SHL player who is named after a real-life NHL player.

And I would be completely against changing it to Garbanzo. I would call it either the Jason Due or Erik Chisling Award. Probably Chisling because he played around the same time as Stevens and had a longer and more productive career. Let the original greats keep the awards otherwise.

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JumpierPegasus · 11-23-2018, 02:32 PM

11-23-2018, 01:53 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
11-23-2018, 01:40 PMJumpierPancakes Wrote: I mean there are awards in the NHL that don't have a huge connotation to that player. Like if they were in the business of renaming awards, the Art Ross would be the Gretzky Trophy

I don't know if renaming them is necessary, it's good to pay homage to some of those players who helped build the league up from the start. Like McDonald and Mexico absolutely battled it out over the first 6 seasons or so as to who the best player was. McDonald helped Edmonton win tons of Cups to start the league. Neat to homage that history that many don't know

I wouldn't be opposed to some changes, such as the Stevens, but I can't think of many. Not the McBride, not the Jesster, not the Uppercut (for sure not the Uppercut, is revolt of that was renamed), not the Razov (there is a reason we award the most clutch performer that, it's a great story)

Don't need to change for the sake of change, but there are maybe a few that could be renamed because their namesakes weren't incredible

Can you remind me what Razov's story is very quickly? I think I joined shortly after it happened and all i've seen from him since when looking at the record books were very average regular season stats.

http://simulationhockey.com/showthread.p...pid2412668

Had to go all the way back to April for that. Could have just written it out again

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 11-23-2018, 05:32 PM

11-23-2018, 02:32 PMJumpierPancakes Wrote:
11-23-2018, 01:53 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Can you remind me what Razov's story is very quickly? I think I joined shortly after it happened and all i've seen from him since when looking at the record books were very average regular season stats.

http://simulationhockey.com/showthread.p...pid2412668

Had to go all the way back to April for that. Could have just written it out again

Ohhh right I remember that post now, thanks!

JumpierPegasus · 11-23-2018, 05:41 PM

11-23-2018, 05:32 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
11-23-2018, 02:32 PMJumpierPancakes Wrote: http://simulationhockey.com/showthread.p...pid2412668

Had to go all the way back to April for that. Could have just written it out again

Ohhh right I remember that post now, thanks!

I love the Razov story so I love sharing it you're welcome haha

I'm probably not even doing it justice. I bet Leafs can remember that moment pretty dang well. I only heard of it. Plus I knew Bill off the forum (I was in an NHL 10 online team with him) so I caught wind of it before I even joined SHL

Jiggly_333 · 11-23-2018, 06:37 PM

The Turd Ferguson should stay as the Turd Ferguson because it's just such a perfect name.

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***artermis*** · 11-23-2018, 07:12 PM

11-23-2018, 12:18 PMSleepy Wrote: Idk, I feel like renaming an award every so often just because someone has a groundbreaking player cheapens the legacy of all the people who won the award beforehand. I personally think it’s cool the award are named after some the oldest players that existed in the SHL. Nothing against the guys you suggested, I just don’t think this is something in the SHL that needs fixing right now

The problem is most awards were merely named after the first player to win it, so I'd argue naming them immediately as such is the problem, not the re-naming.

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