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O4L · 12-19-2018, 12:31 AM

12-19-2018, 12:08 AMDaco Wrote:
12-19-2018, 12:03 AMO4L Wrote: The problem is inflated TPE making it harder to produce in the SHL without big TPE numbers.

I miss the days of being a top 10 player with 700 TPE.

Yea I don't get why caps weren't instituted. Seems like a pretty wide parity gap on the ones with more time now. It wouldn't be unusual to have a stud player based more on chemistry and more of a level playing field before.

My first year as GM in Calgary we were the best regular season team in the league with 2 players over 1000 TPE (Webb, McZehrl). Edmonton was the best last year and had 12.

"“HA HA! THIS GAME WILL NEVER END! I POSSESS THE SOUL OF EVERY GOALIE ON TEAM B!! CREW 4 LIFE!! SIGN WITH EDMONTON FOR THE CUP!!!” cackled Belial as he placed a Fedora on his head."
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Boomcheck · 12-19-2018, 12:55 AM

12-19-2018, 12:28 AMkit Wrote: hey boom welcome back

I've been back since S41 fam Aggrieved

tweedledunn · 12-19-2018, 01:03 AM

hi true rookie Ray Bork here, smjhl gms keeping em hostage i bet Wink

Mayuu · 12-19-2018, 02:59 AM

Counter proposal is that no one can get called up because before 600 TPE. Because why the fuck not? If we're going to screw some people over on the site for no rrason
Why not screw all?

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Mayuu · 12-19-2018, 03:13 AM

12-19-2018, 12:08 AMBoomcheck Wrote:
12-18-2018, 11:55 PMluketd Wrote: Well I spent 3 seasons in juniors for a couple reasons.

1. I became Whalers co-gm and I wanted my player to be in juniors to help the WHalers do stuff.

2. 12 players have gotten over 600 tpe in the S43 class, it doesnt matter where you are drafted if get tpe. So does that mean all 12 get forced to go up?

3. I still dont understand what going 3rd overall means? 2nd OA went inactive. 4th OA was still sent down. 8th OA went down. 9th OA is inactive. being drafted high doesnt mean that you get called up immediatly. I stayed down an extra season because I wasnt needed the SHL and I wanted to stay 1 more season down

Expectations is where it comes through. No one drafts someone 2nd overall thinking they will go inactive, come on fam.

As a 3rd overall pick you're expected to earn a certain amount and i'd assume you would be SHL ready sooner than most. If you're a long term project it won't matter, but you're clearly gaining a lot of TPE per season.

Also most people stay down, seldom do top picks go up immediately. It's a shame, but I don't think top earners should be spending a bunch of time in the SMJHL, it's not their place. They're SHL ready and should be prepared to play in the big leagues.

Who are you to tell people how they want their players legacy to be. Just because you have one vision of it?

I respect that some people wanna go straight the SHL, they want a career that a all about getting as many points, or blocked shots or whatever.

Thats not how everyone likes to play the game though.
I'm going up when my team say the need me and my player is going to make a difference for the team in the cup, and if get to chose (which I do) I'd rather help my junior team towards a cup in a major role, the play a insignificant role on SHL team.

Instead of forcing players around TPE levels, I think the league really need to look at an expansion. 2 new teams frees up a lot of space and even though playing for an expansion team might be a slow start. At least your player is doing something useful.

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Mayuu · 12-19-2018, 03:15 AM

12-19-2018, 12:06 AMDaco Wrote: Can someone elaborate on why someone would even stay in juniors? Is there more Pt opportunity? I mean regression should be based off of overall career length not SHL years played, so I'm not seeing why people stay down. Lack of playing time?

Lack of playing time and that the league is full of inactive third liners that could do the job just as well.

Most just wanna see thief player contribute to the team regardless if it's SHL or SMJHL

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DeletedAtUserRequest · 12-19-2018, 03:32 AM

12-19-2018, 12:31 AMO4L Wrote:
12-19-2018, 12:08 AMDaco Wrote: Yea I don't get why caps weren't instituted. Seems like a pretty wide parity gap on the ones with more time now. It wouldn't be unusual to have a stud player based more on chemistry and more of a level playing field before.

My first year as GM in Calgary we were the best regular season team in the league with 2 players over 1000 TPE (Webb, McZehrl). Edmonton was the best last year and had 12.

I mean I call that ‘evolution’ ... the SHL is a great experience who now boasts over 200 actives and a new draft class of 170... many more dedicated members engaged in the whole process working harder to be the best.

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Chris-McZehrl · 12-19-2018, 03:32 AM

12-18-2018, 11:54 PMBoomcheck Wrote:
12-18-2018, 11:51 PMGrapehead Wrote: nah, one cap is enough for smjhl players

You're entering the SHL with 800 TPE.

lmao

What are you doing down in the SMJHL?

tanking

Chris-McZehrl · 12-19-2018, 03:37 AM

because of the send down case

before this over 150 prospects for S46 arrived .... the SHL expansion with two teams had broke this number down! Now idk! if all will stay active then we need a bigger expansion :D

oh and the SMJHL Expansion make sense for max of 2 seasons!

O4L · 12-19-2018, 04:45 AM

12-19-2018, 03:32 AMMike Izzy Wrote:
12-19-2018, 12:31 AMO4L Wrote: My first year as GM in Calgary we were the best regular season team in the league with 2 players over 1000 TPE (Webb, McZehrl). Edmonton was the best last year and had 12.

I mean I call that ‘evolution’ ... the SHL is a great experience who now boasts over 200 actives and a new draft class of 170... many more dedicated members engaged in the whole process working harder to be the best.

There's definitely way more members but I think it's debatable how much more dedicated the members we have are. That's not a shot at anyone but I feel like lots of members that were 600 TPE back then would find getting to 1k TPE now the same level of difficulty, we've always had a super dedicated base.

For instance, I worked twice as hard to get Barkov to 500 TPE as I did getting either Hudec/Reiter to 500. That's a combination of PT's being easier now and there being more ways to earn points. It's too late to do anything about this now because changing PT's would just make it harder for rookies to produce and more would stay down. I do miss the days of capped 350 TPE players coming straight up from the SMJHL and leading the league in rookie scoring.

The problem with capped send-downs playing in SMJHL too long isn't new, there's just way too many of them since we have way more members and it makes it hard for first-gen rookies to find ice-time and produce.

"“HA HA! THIS GAME WILL NEVER END! I POSSESS THE SOUL OF EVERY GOALIE ON TEAM B!! CREW 4 LIFE!! SIGN WITH EDMONTON FOR THE CUP!!!” cackled Belial as he placed a Fedora on his head."
SMJHL Commisioner S17-S26
Calgary Dragons GM S14-S23

Mayuu · 12-19-2018, 05:32 AM

12-19-2018, 04:45 AMO4L Wrote:
12-19-2018, 03:32 AMMike Izzy Wrote: I mean I call that ‘evolution’ ... the SHL is a great experience who now boasts over 200 actives and a new draft class of 170... many more dedicated members engaged in the whole process working harder to be the best.

There's definitely way more members but I think it's debatable how much more dedicated the members we have are. That's not a shot at anyone but I feel like lots of members that were 600 TPE back then would find getting to 1k TPE now the same level of difficulty, we've always had a super dedicated base.

For instance, I worked twice as hard to get Barkov to 500 TPE as I did getting either Hudec/Reiter to 500. That's a combination of PT's being easier now and there being more ways to earn points. It's too late to do anything about this now because changing PT's would just make it harder for rookies to produce and more would stay down. I do miss the days of capped 350 TPE players coming straight up from the SMJHL and leading the league in rookie scoring.

The problem with capped send-downs playing in SMJHL too long isn't new, there's just way too many of them since we have way more members and it makes it hard for first-gen rookies to find ice-time and produce.

I mean, if it's a space issue why not just.. create more.. space?

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O4L · 12-19-2018, 05:40 AM

12-19-2018, 05:32 AMMayuu Wrote:
12-19-2018, 04:45 AMO4L Wrote: There's definitely way more members but I think it's debatable how much more dedicated the members we have are. That's not a shot at anyone but I feel like lots of members that were 600 TPE back then would find getting to 1k TPE now the same level of difficulty, we've always had a super dedicated base.

For instance, I worked twice as hard to get Barkov to 500 TPE as I did getting either Hudec/Reiter to 500. That's a combination of PT's being easier now and there being more ways to earn points. It's too late to do anything about this now because changing PT's would just make it harder for rookies to produce and more would stay down. I do miss the days of capped 350 TPE players coming straight up from the SMJHL and leading the league in rookie scoring.

The problem with capped send-downs playing in SMJHL too long isn't new, there's just way too many of them since we have way more members and it makes it hard for first-gen rookies to find ice-time and produce.

I mean, if it's a space issue why not just.. create more.. space?

Agree, that's the obvious answer to the send down problem. I'm a big fan of having contractible teams in the SMJHL that you can remove in years that you don't need them.

"“HA HA! THIS GAME WILL NEVER END! I POSSESS THE SOUL OF EVERY GOALIE ON TEAM B!! CREW 4 LIFE!! SIGN WITH EDMONTON FOR THE CUP!!!” cackled Belial as he placed a Fedora on his head."
SMJHL Commisioner S17-S26
Calgary Dragons GM S14-S23

Mayuu · 12-19-2018, 05:44 AM

12-19-2018, 05:40 AMO4L Wrote:
12-19-2018, 05:32 AMMayuu Wrote: I mean, if it's a space issue why not just.. create more.. space?

Agree, that's the obvious answer. I'm a big fan of having contractible teams in the SMJHL that you can remove in years that you don't need them.

Yeah, that's one possible solution. I think these new teams will a great starting evaluation of how SMJHL market and competitiveness will change. It's very exciting to be honest.

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Snussu · 12-19-2018, 07:30 AM

Tbh I don't think changing cap is necessary.
I was drafted like 4th round and I'm in top 20 of TPE earners of my class. I'm 550 TPE and I'm getting called up.
Why? Cause Team needs me. I would happily stay down if Team didn't need me and I could have gone up with 650+ TPE

SHL GM's want players to get as much TPE as possible. For Example, EDM Prospect will probably stay down for 4-5 Seasons just because they have so many High TPE players.
Sometimes you go up at 550 TPE. Sometimes 700 TPE

Sean · 12-19-2018, 07:45 AM

12-19-2018, 07:30 AMSnussu Wrote: Tbh I don't think changing cap is necessary.
I was drafted like 4th round and I'm in top 20 of TPE earners of my class. I'm 550 TPE and I'm getting called up.
Why? Cause Team needs me. I would happily stay down if Team didn't need me and I could have gone up with 650+ TPE

SHL GM's want players to get as much TPE as possible. For Example, EDM Prospect will probably stay down for 4-5 Seasons just because they have so many High TPE players.
Sometimes you go up at 550 TPE. Sometimes 700 TPE

I'm going to EDM this season. I think we may need to bump waivers up a season. I don't want to upset my own team, but it's silly that teams can sit on 500-800 TPE prospects, when teams like Minnesota and Seattle have next to no actives.

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