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Leoben · 09-01-2019, 04:44 AM

i don't think the TPE record will ever be touched again in the current era. I just don't think there are enough points to go around anymore before regression. The limiting of Play-by-Plays and the PT Cap which costs about five or so points a season really add up in the long run. That's not to say it's impossible, I just don't see it happening unless there are some changes. We also lost post game shows, and seasons are shorter. Hopefully this changes in the future but I do think the current balance is good. The super-dedicated players can still get close and the casuals still have a place in the league. Not everyone can be a superstar, it's just something to aim for. I'm sure whoever breaks the record will have an asterisk next to their name because it will definitely only happen after rule changes or something new is implemented.

Boomcheck · 09-01-2019, 05:35 AM

The Tomen Special: What would you consider to be the most underrated SHL record in the current era? Explain yourself.

GWG: Esa Anrikkanen

So Esa has scored 95 career game winning goals and is trailed by Theo Kane--- who is behind by ten at 85! Nova is the next ACTIVE PLAYER at ... 57! Crazy. It takes longevity and a quick trigger to pull this off, while allowing for a 'clutch' gene to show. I just don't see it being broken since most players break down before playing ... 29 WHOLE SEASONS! The league isn't even in S50 yet and this guy played THESE many games to put together this GWG record. Insane.

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Which existing record (e.g., most goals, most wins, most hits, etc.) do you think will be broken by a currently active player? Explain yourself?

Goals Record: 38 Vlad McZ

People thing this may be absolutely LUDICROUS. And yes, I am using the realism era record since it's using this engine and is pretty lose to the overall record at 39 anyways. Which current player will achieve this? CC2. Look, it sounds crazy but CC2, with the right role has the right MENTALITY of a shooter and skates like the gosh darn wind. His power play production is off the chain and if he gets an expanded role in Chicago with Hamilton regressing? Prime meat horse should be ROARING back to score 30+ goals with the proper percentages.

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awils13 · 09-01-2019, 06:09 AM

Quote:Which record would you say will be the hardest to break? Explain yourself!

Elias Armia’s 88 points back in season 11 will obviously be very difficult to break. Only 6 players have ever scored over 80 points in a season, all of which happened in between seasons 9 and 11. VLAD McZehrl scored 79 points in season 34, and overall 14 players scored 70 points or more in the last 20 seasons but you would need an insane amount of luck to come close to 88 points in a season, let alone break this record. In fact if you look at the list, most of the people are from seasons 9, 10 or 11 so they obviously used something differently in simon t back then.

Quote:What would you consider to be the most underrated SHL record in the current era? Explain yourself.

Niclas Wastlund ‘s +48 season back in S11, or Hercules Rockefeller’s +42 in S45 if we look at the current era. +/- is often looked down on and perhaps rightfully so because it’s more of a line stat than an individual stat but at the end of the day if you have a bad +/-, you’re not really helping your team win. On the other hand, the player is a part of that line and if someone has a great +/-, I know I can rely on them. +/- could be inflated by puck luck sometimes but that doesn’t make it any less impressive.

Weretarantula · 09-01-2019, 06:59 AM

I think that the hardest record to break is a really difficult choice to make as there are many which seem insurmountable. I'm going to go with something a little different and say that Chernika Banananov's record of 15 Hat Tricks in 14 seasons will be one of the most difficult. There are some players who could do it, but most of them are getting close to the 14th season or are past it already. Why is this the most difficult? Well, getting a hat trick in the first place is already one of the hardest things to pull off as a forward. You have to either be on a team that gives the puck to you for every goal scoring opportunity, or get incredibly lucky. Chernika managed to average MORE than one hat trick a season in his career. That's insane, and there's one more factor that we haven't even weighed in on, and that's the fickleness of Simon. Simon will take all of the probability in your player, and crush it like a bug underfoot. It's not easy getting him to co-operate and give your player that many glorious moments.

DollarAndADream · 09-01-2019, 07:08 AM

If I had to talk about an underrated record, it would probably have to be assists in a season. The record is currently held by Elias Armia, who had 60 assists in 48 games, and that was way back in Season 11. People do not really look at the assist records as much as points or goals, or even hits, because assists are not as flashy as the rest of them. But, assists are what drive the play and I think they should be regarded heavier than they are. The closest anybody has even gotten to having 60 assists recently was in Season 47, where Otis B. Driftwood of the Calgary Dragons had 46. 46 is a high number, but even that is 14 off of Armia's record. It is a little ridiculous to think about. The top 8 assists in a season records are all from the first 11 seasons of SHL hockey. That 60 assist mark is even more so important, because it is the main reason why Elias Armia also has the points in a season record with 88. If he had not obtained 60 assists, that 88 points in a season record would not be held today, and that point record of his was also far and away his best personal season. This also answers one of the other questions, being what record is the hardest to break. It is definitely the assists record.

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Tomasnz · 09-01-2019, 08:19 AM

Goalie save %, that's the record that I see being broken by an active player.

Reasons are two fold.

1. The top two records are currently held by active players, well McFadden is IA but he and Tommy Tuck have the top two spots. Which means it should be possible in the current build meta.

2. I think goalie perfermance in going to be on the up from this point, with more goalies joining the league and more position discussion, the theory around what makes a goalie build successful is improving every week. Look at the junior records being set these last few seasons by Nadeau and Braulin, and the young players like Cain, Roberson and blue dominating the goalie stats. Throw in the likes of me, and Soonika entering the league, as well as the likes of Krysst, Vilde, and Letiner all hitting build caps. I can see this record page being held entirely by actives at some point.

Mayuu · 09-01-2019, 08:36 AM

Viktor Marius record breaking playoffs last season will be a tough record to break. 32 points in 22 games might seem like it will be broken quite easily. But remember, to even get those kinda number of games to have the potential you need to go deeo in a couple series. At least game 6 or 7 while playing from play in spot all the way to the finals. All while putting up insane numbers of points. If we look at the closest player they have 30 in 18 games which in itself is great and a higher ppg. But to even have a shot at this record you need to be in a team that underperformed during regular season to make your way to the play in. While we have 4 teams making play in each season they are rarely contenders of the level as Marius teams were during S48. I believe it's going to be a while until a player pots that many points again.

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Avakael · 09-01-2019, 10:13 AM

The most underrated record in the SHL currently belongs to Alonzo Garbanzo. It is the record for the most points scored by a defenceman, and it will be absolutely impossible for a mortal player to crack.

Alonzo Garbanzo has 973 points over 24 SHL seasons. This is an awful lot of points. This is partly to be expected- Garbanzo has played 30,960 minutes (second all time) in 1208 games (equal third all time). But what you might not be thinking about is the points per game rate. In order to get 973 points in 24 SHL seasons, Alonzo Garbanzo has had to play at a 40.54 point per game pace for his entire career. Any defenceman in the SHL will tell you that without specific circumstances (such as being the only truly good defenceman on your team), it's almost impossible to consistently hit 40 points per season, and even very high TPE players often fall short.

Furthermore, in order to have enough TPE to even be in the running for that many points, you have to be a very high earner, and retain that TPE for a very long time. Alonzo Garbanzo had a high water mark for TPE well over 2200. This allowed him to continue to playing at an outstanding level for the majority of his career. The impact matters, and gives a significant advantage even over a player that reaches 2000.

Being unable to fulfil both of these conditions leaves competitors deeply in the dust. Recent players that have only fulfilled one condition or the other include Jasper Clayton (TPE but not circumstances), on 659 points after 900 games (36.61 point per game pace), Ben Dover (circumstances but not TPE), on 700 points after 893 games (38.39 point per game pace), Ludwig Koch Schroder (TPE but not circumstances), who is currently on 655 points after 900 games (36.39 point per game pace), and Alexis Metzler (circumstances but not TPE), on 659 points after 900 games (36.5 game pace). All of these players have only played 18 seasons, not 24, and there is almost certainly no younger player in the SHL right now that will get access to Garbanzo's sweet spot, either.

Fordyford · 09-01-2019, 10:21 AM

What would you consider to be the most underrated SHL record in the current era? Explain yourself.

I think many people consider Esa's record of 29 seasons in the SHL as an impressive one, but noone thinks really about how impressive. Spending 29 seasons updating a player, and keeping that player able to compete on a strong Calgary team throughout those years is one of the most impressive if not the most impressive feats in the history of the SHL, and while people may well argue that Esa is not the GOAT or even close to being so, I believe that his longevity provides a characterisitic that most players dont get close to, and the consistency he had for Calgary allowed the team to be competitive throughout his time there, including his 5 cups. While he was never a truly standout player in any of his seasons, the fact he was having 25+ point seasons consistently into his 20th+ season is something that noone should turn their noses up at.

*Buster* · 09-01-2019, 10:43 AM

The record in which I think will be the hardest to break will Elias Armia's 88 points in S11, which is the highest point total in SHL history. The reason I think this won't be broken isn't an argument about which era is better and isn't “players were better in the old days than they are now” but I think it's due to the way the sim works now. S11 was a season under the famed inflation era, where the point totals were way out of hand. To that point, I think it could go even further and say that Jason Due's point totals as a D might even be harder to break. But the issue with this record becomes trying to beat an era where the sim was set for high point totals. The closest we've seen to not only breaking the record but getting close to 80 points in this era was Vlad McZerhl's 79 points, which is still 9 points back and hasn't even hit 80 points. Also keep in mind too that McZehrl is famous for way overplaying his own players, so that's an added factor in the 79 points. Unless the rare talent comes along that can put up obnoxious point totals in a realistic sim, I think this a safe record.

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BarnabasCollins · 09-01-2019, 10:50 AM

Alonzo Garbanzo's record of 950 points for a defenseman I doubt will ever be beaten. His 950 points is almost 200 above the second defender Darian Scherbluk who has 753. Someone would have to be first supremely committed to doing this as you'd need well over 20 seasons to even come remotely close in my opinion. It would also have to be with the perfect team situation where they person would walk in as a number one or two defender their rookie season and get craploads of ice time early in their career to even have a remote chance of reaching this. Garbanzo was number one in Minnesota forever and had that unique opportunity to be their go to guy for like a zillion seasons. I don't think with the influx of reddit players and teams having more actives than in the past that anyone will find themselves in a position to be able to match garbanzo's exploits.

Keygan · 09-01-2019, 10:52 AM

In my opinion, the current hardest record to break would be the single season win record for a team, set by the Edmonton Blizzard in season 45 where they achieved a record of 41-6-3 with a goal differential of 78 on route to a Challenge Cup victory. The record involved a perfect 6 and 0 record from backup goaltender Alistar Cain and an MVP season from Tommy Tuck, who set a new record in Goals Against Average and Wins.

Apart from the goalie we also put three players into the top five all time in Plus Minus, and Tommy also scored a spot in the top save percentages ever.

The reason I think this will be such a hard record to beat is because with the talent in the league becoming deeper and deeper, super teams are becoming harder and harder to create. The season 45 Blizzard will go down as a top team of all time, and hold this record because of it.

SlashACM · 09-01-2019, 11:30 AM

The Tomen Special: What would you consider to be the most underrated SHL record in the current era? Explain yourself.

I think the Dead Weight award can be given to the goalie with the winningest record with a poor save percentage/goals against. This is awarded to a goalie who was truly exceptional at trying to keep their team out of games, and failing. I will look back over the past several seasons to see who this award can be given to.

This past season 49, Tuck, once a GOTY winner, posted an abysmal .897 save percentage while still picking up 24 wins. Same deal with S48, having an .895 s% with 25 wins. He is looking to build a dynasty on this award.

In S47 we have the beloved McFadden, racking up 26 wins with a meh .902 s% and an absurdly high 3.30 GAA. His team went off in front of him that season.

S46 we have Kryyst with a .899 save percentage but somehow 25 wins. Good for him.

S45 we have the man, the myth, the legend, Beaujeaux Biscuit with a poor year and a .902 s%, but his team showed up and got him 27 whole wins on the season.

S44 Marmeladov takes this one home, with a .903 s% and 26 wins.

And finally S43 the rookie Kryyst gets his first dead weight award posting an .896 s% but still winning 26 games. He ain't winning the Jesster thats for sure.

Slappydoodle · 09-01-2019, 11:57 AM

Some SHL records were made to never be broken. Conditions have changed over the years and the playing field in not even, in historical terms, for modern players looking to break certain marks. Alonzo Garbanzo and Esa Anrikkanen, as examples, started their careers under the old, more forgiving, update scale. They also played the primes of their careers during the minutes inflation period of SHL history. Combine that with Jaywhy’s era as simmer, where despite the league not officially recognizing it numbers were inflated all round, and you’ve got players that can never be rivaled in career numbers or certain single season marks. These players and others such as Kristian Ericksson benefited from these various factors to put up perfect storms of careers. Some of these players also served as GM’s of their teams and were in ideal spots to ensure their own player’s success. They set records, single season and especially career, that are simply not reachable under the current conditions of the SHL, including career games, minutes, points, goals, assists and others .

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