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KlusteR · 01-23-2020, 06:09 PM

01-23-2020, 05:40 PMjRuutu Wrote: Let's just hope BDonini learns from this and changes his tampering ways. As a user who is potentially going to re-create in the near future, the idea of having to enter a world where a predatorial general manager operates is quite frankly a scary thought, but I think people can learn from their mistakes and deserve a second chance, maybe even a third one.

JNH · 01-23-2020, 06:26 PM

01-23-2020, 06:05 PMSlashACM Wrote: [I'm just saying this whole thing would look less fishy if he didn't claim that tpe when he went to ANA.

I mean, what else would he do with the TPE though? I get your point and I'm sure it would look less fishy but it's weird to expect someone not to apply TPE they fairly earned (and given they didn't know of each other before January, it's unlikely that there was some long term plan).

Quote:The proof of tampering is in that screenshot of donini saying he talked to Alex on the 10th

That screenshot did look a little suspicious to me at first, but having seen the context (in ANA's appeal and maybe elsewhere? I can't remember rn) that it was in the course of trade talks to STL and Donini just asking if he would be active if he was on ANA, I don't think that fits the definition of tampering. While GM's have to be extremely careful when talking to players whose rights are owned by another team, I don't believe this infringes into that territory. Tampering is inducing/attempting to induce a player under contract with another team to join your team. While Donini did talk to him, I'd hardly call asking if he would be active to be "inducing a player" to come join your team.

SlashACM · 01-23-2020, 06:30 PM

01-23-2020, 06:26 PMJNH Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:05 PMSlashACM Wrote: [I'm just saying this whole thing would look less fishy if he didn't claim that tpe when he went to ANA.

I mean, what else would he do with the TPE though? I get your point and I'm sure it would look less fishy but it's weird to expect someone not to apply TPE they fairly earned (and given they didn't know of each other before January, it's unlikely that there was some long term plan).

Quote:The proof of tampering is in that screenshot of donini saying he talked to Alex on the 10th

That screenshot did look a little suspicious to me at first, but having seen the context (in ANA's appeal and maybe elsewhere? I can't remember rn) that it was in the course of trade talks to STL and Donini just asking if he would be active if he was on ANA, I don't think that fits the definition of tampering. While GM's have to be extremely careful when talking to players whose rights are owned by another team, I don't believe this infringes into that territory. Tampering is inducing/attempting to induce a player under contract with another team to join your team. While Donini did talk to him, I'd hardly call asking if he would be active to be "inducing a player" to come join your team.

STL was never contacted about a trade so either they never planned on it or that plan went out the window quickly. I'm under the assumption that they agreed he would sign with anaheim after STL inevitably dropped him, which is why donini was confused when edm signed him and then he told Alex to reject the Edmonton contract. This part is mostly speculation but it lines up and I think the burden is now on donini to prove his talks were ONLY about trade

White Cornerback · 01-23-2020, 06:32 PM

lmfao jruutu on about predatory gm behaviour when a literal paedophile founded one of the SHL franchises kappa

JNH · 01-23-2020, 06:33 PM

01-23-2020, 06:30 PMSlashACM Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:26 PMJNH Wrote: I mean, what else would he do with the TPE though? I get your point and I'm sure it would look less fishy but it's weird to expect someone not to apply TPE they fairly earned (and given they didn't know of each other before January, it's unlikely that there was some long term plan).

That screenshot did look a little suspicious to me at first, but having seen the context (in ANA's appeal and maybe elsewhere? I can't remember rn) that it was in the course of trade talks to STL and Donini just asking if he would be active if he was on ANA, I don't think that fits the definition of tampering. While GM's have to be extremely careful when talking to players whose rights are owned by another team, I don't believe this infringes into that territory. Tampering is inducing/attempting to induce a player under contract with another team to join your team. While Donini did talk to him, I'd hardly call asking if he would be active to be "inducing a player" to come join your team.

STL was never contacted about a trade so either they never planned on it or that plan went out the window quickly. I'm under the assumption that they agreed he would sign with anaheim after STL inevitably dropped him, which is why donini was confused when edm signed him and then he told Alex to reject the Edmonton contract. This part is mostly speculation but it lines up and I think the burden is now on donini to prove his talks were ONLY about trade

Ah okay, I misunderstood that part but I think we're in agreement here. If Donini can prove that they only talked about trade then I think it's fair game for the tampering charge (and goes to my point in Donini's thread that it's only an illegal signing).

SlashACM · 01-23-2020, 06:33 PM

01-23-2020, 06:32 PMWhite Cornerback Wrote: lmfao jruutu on about predatory gm behaviour when a literal paedophile founded one of the SHL franchises kappa

Well duh he only cares about smjhl gm behavior

SlashACM · 01-23-2020, 06:34 PM

01-23-2020, 06:33 PMJNH Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:30 PMSlashACM Wrote: STL was never contacted about a trade so either they never planned on it or that plan went out the window quickly. I'm under the assumption that they agreed he would sign with anaheim after STL inevitably dropped him, which is why donini was confused when edm signed him and then he told Alex to reject the Edmonton contract. This part is mostly speculation but it lines up and I think the burden is now on donini to prove his talks were ONLY about trade

Ah okay, I misunderstood that part but I think we're in agreement here. If Donini can prove that they only talked about trade then I think it's fair game for the tampering charge (and goes to my point in Donini's thread that it's only an illegal signing).

Yeah we agree, I doubt he provides evidence because it would likely be incriminating but we'll see

TnlAstatine · 01-23-2020, 06:35 PM

01-23-2020, 06:32 PMWhite Cornerback Wrote: lmfao jruutu on about predatory gm behaviour when a literal paedophile founded one of the SHL franchises kappa

which franchise you founded?

SlashACM · 01-23-2020, 06:39 PM

01-23-2020, 06:35 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:32 PMWhite Cornerback Wrote: lmfao jruutu on about predatory gm behaviour when a literal paedophile founded one of the SHL franchises kappa

which franchise you founded?

Edmonton Kidszard

*Leppish* · 01-23-2020, 06:39 PM

01-23-2020, 06:39 PMSlashACM Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:35 PMTnlAstatine Wrote: which franchise you founded?

Edmonton Kidszard

Minnesota Priests

SlashACM · 01-23-2020, 06:42 PM

01-23-2020, 06:39 PMLeppish Wrote:
01-23-2020, 06:39 PMSlashACM Wrote: Edmonton Kidszard

Minnesota Priests

Ooooh good one.

Texas Penetrates

sash · 01-23-2020, 06:48 PM

01-23-2020, 05:56 PMスウェグキング Wrote:
01-23-2020, 04:48 PMSamee Wrote: Directly punishing SMJHL teams like this will hurt activity amongst rookies and new users on their team for obvious reasons. Not a good idea

Get a big bank account -> become SMJHL GM -> Tamper 'til youre broke -> team success -> book signing deal IRL -> money

Why not straight up fire the GM for tampering not just constantly fine them?

Samsung virtual assistant · 01-23-2020, 06:50 PM

01-23-2020, 06:48 PMSamee Wrote:
01-23-2020, 05:56 PMスウェグキング Wrote: Get a big bank account -> become SMJHL GM -> Tamper 'til youre broke -> team success -> book signing deal IRL -> money
Why not straight up fire the GM for tampering not just constantly fine them?

You wont become a famous writer that way.

TnlAstatine · 01-23-2020, 06:53 PM

01-23-2020, 05:56 PMスウェグキング Wrote: Get a big bank account -> become SMJHL GM -> Tamper 'til youre broke -> team success -> book signing deal IRL -> money

this is straight up omegabrain play

@Tomen you have a lot of money right?

suavemente · 01-23-2020, 06:59 PM

Not my place or authority but i figured I'd share how this looks to outsiders/newbies like myself:

Rookie perspective: brand new to the league so I don't really care/have a dog in the race but what I do care about is my updates not reflecting in the WJC roster stats. My submissions not being graded on time and affecting my ability to buy gear and training. Mayhaps there are bigger fish to fry, at least that's how it looks/feels like to me. Y'all would rather do this for 3 days straight than help out actual rookies making content and trying to have a fun time. I think the ramifications/ new player retention that are gonna be affected by this hubbabaloo is gonna be far more impactful than the actual issue being discussed.

My two cents.

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