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**.bojo** · 08-10-2021, 01:02 PM

how about don't waste people's time and joke retire hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*JURT* · 08-10-2021, 01:10 PM

Maybe a lower penalty if you unretire in the first 24h? I feel like 5% would be enough to prevent joke retirement from people who know the rules but wouldn't be as harsh to the people who don't and realize they made a mistake. Then after 24h it's 15%.

Justice · 08-10-2021, 01:11 PM

who cares about meme retirers

let em eat the penalty

***CampinKiller*** · 08-10-2021, 01:23 PM

Let people pay for their own mistake there. Sorry, but it is what it is.

ByrdeMan · 08-10-2021, 01:51 PM

If you wanna be dumb and retire, be dumb and retire.

***sköldpaddor*** · 08-10-2021, 01:52 PM

once again, I’m not concerned about the people meme retiring, but the people who might seriously think they’re done with the site thanks to assholes acting like assholes and then deciding in the morning the assholes aren’t worth it.

Y’all talk big talk when it comes to mental health but it seems a lot of you aren’t willing to back it up when it comes to people who might make decisions they regret when they’re having a real shitty mental health day.

overdoo · 08-10-2021, 01:55 PM

08-10-2021, 01:52 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Y’all talk big talk when it comes to mental health but it seems a lot of you aren’t willing to back it up when it comes to people who might make decisions they regret when they’re having a real shitty mental health day.

overdoo · 08-10-2021, 01:58 PM

When this topic was started I didn't really think much of it. Yeah, we have the rules and the rulebook or whatnot. But I don't mind the grace period idea. Maybe it could be an annoying extra step for those gone, but that wasn't a concern when we did the same step with the goalie influx. If you want to keep the punishment regardless, 5% ain't bad, as Lespoils mentioned. If you want it higher, maybe. But there have been situations although not incredibly common that warrants thought about the whole thing, even if no changes are made.

***CampinKiller*** · 08-10-2021, 02:07 PM

08-10-2021, 01:52 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Y’all talk big talk when it comes to mental health but it seems a lot of you aren’t willing to back it up when it comes to people who might make decisions they regret when they’re having a real shitty mental health day.

Jess, I don't think anyone is saying or implying that. You just literally cannot have a grace period of no penalty, because it leads to meme and joke retirements, which cause their own issues. Maybe do a 10% penalty instead of 15% for the first 24 hours, but that's about the only thing I could see happening.

*JURT* · 08-10-2021, 02:10 PM

08-10-2021, 01:23 PMCampinKiller Wrote: Let people pay for their own mistake there. Sorry, but it is what it is.

It doesn't have to be what it is tho. If the cost of preventing meme retiring is losing newer users who didn't understand the implications of retiring, I say we live with meme retiring. But I'm sure there's a place in the middle that would prevent both meme retiring and situations where people will say "I made a mistake and it's not worth the trouble of fixing it so I'll just leave the site"

***CampinKiller*** · 08-10-2021, 02:13 PM

08-10-2021, 02:10 PMlespoils Wrote:
08-10-2021, 01:23 PMCampinKiller Wrote: Let people pay for their own mistake there. Sorry, but it is what it is.

It doesn't have to be what it is tho. If the cost of preventing meme retiring is losing newer users who didn't understand the implications of retiring, I say we live with meme retiring. But I'm sure there's a place in the middle that would prevent both meme retiring and situations where people will say "I made a mistake and it's not worth the trouble of fixing it so I'll just leave the site"

My only thing there with not having any penalty, though, is that it's clearly stated, in multiple places, what will happen if you retire and then wish to unretire.

**.bojo** · 08-10-2021, 02:15 PM

I added a clearer message in the title of the rules thread.

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**Lime** · 08-10-2021, 02:48 PM

08-10-2021, 02:07 PMCampinKiller Wrote:
08-10-2021, 01:52 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Y’all talk big talk when it comes to mental health but it seems a lot of you aren’t willing to back it up when it comes to people who might make decisions they regret when they’re having a real shitty mental health day.

Jess, I don't think anyone is saying or implying that. You just literally cannot have a grace period of no penalty, because it leads to meme and joke retirements, which cause their own issues. Maybe do a 10% penalty instead of 15% for the first 24 hours, but that's about the only thing I could see happening.

Actually, that doesn't seem to be the case. I've looked at the PBE retirement forum and it appears that the grace period has not been abused as far back as I looked. A few threads are marked as unretired but they seem to have been for a good reason like letting the team use their corpse for a while longer. I think we should look into the idea further.

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