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Accka · 01-24-2022, 11:08 AM

01-24-2022, 10:39 AMboom Wrote: Here’s what it looks like from the outside.

Before the draft, Brandon did the presser and just flipped out when people pressed him about the name, and that was the image of him that’s stuck in people’s minds. We don’t know what he’s like in the LR, but it’s not like what he did in public just means nothing. So to see him voted by the team as captain after what we saw is going to give a certain impression - that this is who the team wants to represent them.

Giving users with red flags chances is fine, but you still have to be willing to have the hard conversations when needed to ensure accountability and I’m not sure that’s happening.

With regard to the memes, people didn’t really know what to make of the situation - understandable, since it was a private event that it happened at. So they defaulted to joking.

Yes ofcourse he'd do that, what do most animals do when you corner them? They fight back. He was a completely new person to the site and just wanted to have fun and I think(don't remember for 100%) he even mentioned in the presser that he'd like to not make it political and doesn't want to talk about the name. You're all grown ass people, just act like it and show some respect to each other, even if you wouldn't like what that (in this instance the name) represents.
I'm sure everyone does it at work, instead of making snarky remarks about something in their past, so why is it so hard here?

How do you think it looks to new users when someone new makes a media post and has all these coloured names jump them and pressing them?

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Skeleton Party · 01-24-2022, 11:11 AM

can i change my name back now

PremierBromanov · 01-24-2022, 11:16 AM

01-24-2022, 11:11 AMSkeleton Party Wrote: can i change my name back now

its not the vibe

Skeleton Party · 01-24-2022, 11:23 AM

01-24-2022, 11:16 AMPremierBromanov Wrote:
01-24-2022, 11:11 AMSkeleton Party Wrote: can i change my name back now

its not the vibe

no bully pls

Toast · 01-24-2022, 11:24 AM

01-24-2022, 11:11 AMSkeleton Party Wrote: can i change my name back now

You can be Green M&M

***boom*** · 01-24-2022, 11:26 AM

01-24-2022, 11:08 AMAccka Wrote:
01-24-2022, 10:39 AMboom Wrote: Here’s what it looks like from the outside.

Before the draft, Brandon did the presser and just flipped out when people pressed him about the name, and that was the image of him that’s stuck in people’s minds. We don’t know what he’s like in the LR, but it’s not like what he did in public just means nothing. So to see him voted by the team as captain after what we saw is going to give a certain impression - that this is who the team wants to represent them.

Giving users with red flags chances is fine, but you still have to be willing to have the hard conversations when needed to ensure accountability and I’m not sure that’s happening.

With regard to the memes, people didn’t really know what to make of the situation - understandable, since it was a private event that it happened at. So they defaulted to joking.
Yes ofcourse he'd do that, what do most animals do when you corner them? They fight back. He was a completely new person to the site and just wanted to have fun and I think(don't remember for 100%) he even mentioned in the presser that he'd like to not make it political and doesn't want to talk about the name. You're all grown ass people, just act like it and show some respect to each other, even if you wouldn't like what that (in this instance the name) represents.
I'm sure everyone does it at work, instead of making snarky remarks about something in their past, so why is it so hard here?

How do you think it looks to new users when someone new makes a media post and has all these coloured names jump them and pressing them?

Believe me, I would love to be able to just opt out of politics and have a good time without regards to it, but I will never be able to do that because of my identity. Ergo I try to stand up for others in the same boat. It might just be a name to him, but it’s not just that to other people.

but that’s not the main discussion point here, just needed to get that out of the way

***boom*** · 01-24-2022, 11:27 AM

01-24-2022, 11:00 AMPremierBromanov Wrote:
01-24-2022, 10:39 AMboom Wrote: Here’s what it looks like from the outside.

Before the draft, Brandon did the presser and just flipped out when people pressed him about the name,

boom i have to push back on this. I realize I'm biased here, so there's a boulder of salt with your name on it.

How exactly did dhoop flip out? Here's the thread, you can skim through and see one response https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....038&page=6

apart from doubling down on something he's obviously ignorant of, dhoop is far from "flipping out" and the negative PR he sustained from this event is entirely inflated by the crowd. Because apart from his one response, almost the entire 6 pages are devoted to harassing him. Not one ounce of grace in there apart from jess.

Don't you see the irony in responding to what accka said with a hyperbolic description of dhoop's events? Are we just going to sprinkle a little spice into the recount every time we talk about the presser? Next time, what will the adjectives be?

And, the irony in (correctly) taking issue with talls' apology only to turn around and offer the same explanations and justifications? "hey, here's a problem" "Well here are the reasons i contributed to the problem"

https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....pid3154456

this isn’t really that supportive tbh, it came off as very tokenizing of minorities to basically say “look I’m not a bad person I have minority friends”

*Buster* · 01-24-2022, 11:31 AM

01-24-2022, 11:11 AMSkeleton Party Wrote: can i change my name back now

Hey have you seen my new Forza car?

Skeleton Party · 01-24-2022, 11:39 AM

01-24-2022, 11:31 AMBuster Wrote:
01-24-2022, 11:11 AMSkeleton Party Wrote: can i change my name back now

Hey have you seen my new Forza car?

You can't just desexualize candy. This is a pretty standard take.

PremierBromanov · 01-24-2022, 12:07 PM

01-24-2022, 11:27 AMboom Wrote:
01-24-2022, 11:00 AMPremierBromanov Wrote: boom i have to push back on this. I realize I'm biased here, so there's a boulder of salt with your name on it.

How exactly did dhoop flip out? Here's the thread, you can skim through and see one response https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....038&page=6

apart from doubling down on something he's obviously ignorant of, dhoop is far from "flipping out" and the negative PR he sustained from this event is entirely inflated by the crowd. Because apart from his one response, almost the entire 6 pages are devoted to harassing him. Not one ounce of grace in there apart from jess.

Don't you see the irony in responding to what accka said with a hyperbolic description of dhoop's events? Are we just going to sprinkle a little spice into the recount every time we talk about the presser? Next time, what will the adjectives be?

And, the irony in (correctly) taking issue with talls' apology only to turn around and offer the same explanations and justifications? "hey, here's a problem" "Well here are the reasons i contributed to the problem"
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....pid3154456

this isn’t really that supportive tbh, it came off as very tokenizing of minorities to basically say “look I’m not a bad person I have minority friends”

i understand that, and I think thats accurate to say. I only take issue with the words we use to describe the event as "flipping out" as needlessly antagonistic towards a user who doesn't know what he's talking about and could be educated. It's not your responsibility to do that, but there's an opportunity there for everyone and it requires the slightest bit of grace

Merica · 01-24-2022, 12:28 PM

01-24-2022, 11:26 AMboom Wrote:
01-24-2022, 11:08 AMAccka Wrote: Yes ofcourse he'd do that, what do most animals do when you corner them? They fight back. He was a completely new person to the site and just wanted to have fun and I think(don't remember for 100%) he even mentioned in the presser that he'd like to not make it political and doesn't want to talk about the name. You're all grown ass people, just act like it and show some respect to each other, even if you wouldn't like what that (in this instance the name) represents.
I'm sure everyone does it at work, instead of making snarky remarks about something in their past, so why is it so hard here?

How do you think it looks to new users when someone new makes a media post and has all these coloured names jump them and pressing them?
Believe me, I would love to be able to just opt out of politics and have a good time without regards to it, but I will never be able to do that because of my identity. Ergo I try to stand up for others in the same boat. It might just be a name to him, but it’s not just that to other people.

but that’s not the main discussion point here, just needed to get that out of the way

I mean, sure, I understand if you are politically outspoken you want to chime in, but I think a lot of people lose sight of the fact that nothing ever gets accomplished by attacking people for their political views on the internet, at best they dig in further. I guess you can sleep better knowing you “really showed that guy” ?

And this approach of “educating” people? How far up on your high horse do you have to be to have that take?

Way too often people spend way too much energy trying to change someone/something that is an immovable object.

But hey, what do I know.

grok · 01-24-2022, 12:35 PM

01-24-2022, 10:36 AMImShiny Wrote: where the fuck is the recipe

i will reprise my famous huevos rancheros recipe

huevos rancheros

ingredients:
2 huevos
1 rancheros

1. crack eggs into mug
2. add salsa
3. microwave for 90 seconds
4. scoop egg back into mug

serves 1

Vik · 01-24-2022, 12:40 PM

01-24-2022, 10:39 AMboom Wrote:
01-24-2022, 09:10 AMAccka Wrote: Legit the only reason I ever think about just retiring/going IA. So many people acting as if they care and then just bullying the person that made a mistake.
Literally every time this happens, people just start mass harrassing the person.

No bullying? Accepting everyone? Mental health awareness? My fucking ass.
I don't care what his apology seems like. Just think about Talls as a person, think about his character and what he's been like on the site and community in general. The guy is probably the furthest from being racist against Japanese people/culture. He made a mistake, it happens. Just let it be water under the bridge.

I also noticed someone bringing up him make Lesgo Brandon a captain. To me instead of that being some sort of political take or buddy-buddy kind of thing, it's the exact opposite. He took someone that had people throwing the typical bullying shit at him and was willing to look past the political name. Got to know him and maybe he turned out to not be one of those Facebook nutjobs and was a decent person. To me the fact that he made him a captain just says that he's a good GM. He's willing to look past a silly name, pressure of some in the community to just ignore him and instead take that person for their word and character that they've been.
I think at this point names, renders and memes like these should just be banned, because it always seems to cause an unneeded ruccus.

I also mentioned mental health awareness for a reason, because what you all do when you spam dumb shit in these kind of threads, copy the person initial post and responses, what do you think that feels like to that person?
Especially a person that has invested alot of time to the site and has become a part of it? I really want y'all to understand that this is bullying, even if you think it's just jokes. I wish there was more of a stance on this, instead of people from the current and past HO just jumping in on it everytime and the only stance that comes is just being "Okey, y'all had your fun, I'll lock the thread".
Here’s what it looks like from the outside.

Before the draft, Brandon did the presser and just flipped out when people pressed him about the name, and that was the image of him that’s stuck in people’s minds. We don’t know what he’s like in the LR, but it’s not like what he did in public just means nothing. So to see him voted by the team as captain after what we saw is going to give a certain impression - that this is who the team wants to represent them.

Giving users with red flags chances is fine, but you still have to be willing to have the hard conversations when needed to ensure accountability and I’m not sure that’s happening.

With regard to the memes, people didn’t really know what to make of the situation - understandable, since it was a private event that it happened at. So they defaulted to joking.

Instead of the “outside” let’s just cal this booms perspective. Not trying to invalidate your perspective boom but please don’t project it.

Skeleton Party · 01-24-2022, 12:41 PM

01-24-2022, 12:28 PMMerica Wrote:
01-24-2022, 11:26 AMboom Wrote: Believe me, I would love to be able to just opt out of politics and have a good time without regards to it, but I will never be able to do that because of my identity. Ergo I try to stand up for others in the same boat. It might just be a name to him, but it’s not just that to other people.

but that’s not the main discussion point here, just needed to get that out of the way

I mean, sure, I understand if you are politically outspoken you want to chime in, but I think a lot of people lose sight of the fact that nothing ever gets accomplished by attacking people for their political views on the internet, at best they dig in further. I guess you can sleep better knowing you “really showed that guy” ?

And this approach of “educating” people? How far up on your high horse do you have to be to have that take?

Way too often people spend way too much energy trying to change someone/something that is an immovable object.

But hey, what do I know.

"Educating" as far as making the assumption that a person doesn't understand certain situations from perspectives of marginalized groups. There exists an opportunity to have them understand these perspectives. I don't think there's anything inherently self righteous about saying "Hey, this is how this situation feels to you, but to someone with X background this can feel like an attack and here's why."

The alternative is just assuming that they are an asshole who wants to hurt people.

Vik · 01-24-2022, 12:43 PM

01-24-2022, 12:35 PMgrok Wrote:
01-24-2022, 10:36 AMImShiny Wrote: where the fuck is the recipe

i will reprise my famous huevos rancheros recipe

huevos rancheros

ingredients:
2 huevos
1 rancheros

1. crack eggs into mug
2. add salsa
3. microwave for 90 seconds
4. scoop egg back into mug

serves 1

I tried now my microwave is on fire what next step?

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