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***Canadice*** · 09-07-2024, 09:26 AM

09-07-2024, 07:42 AMAephino Wrote: Btw the people you're referring to aren't apathetic to this; that's likely the opposite of the word you want to use. People are upset for a number of reasons:
1. Russia ended up receiving 2 applications to keep their federation
2. There were 8 nations already with ≥5 users that were pre-selected as optimal nations
3. Quebec isn't a nation
4. Quebec already exists as a team with the same name on the site
5. There's a trend on the site of users getting jobs based on name recognition (not even saying that happened here - I'm sure the app was great. just a trend people notice)

During my 3 year tenure in IIHF HO, applications to smaller federations that have resulted in an increased engagement to/within the federation have been few. Appointing a federation head just because they applied for a current federation isn't always the best decision in terms of stability and engagement. Even the pre-selected nations of 5+ players would still fall within that "smaller" federation focus where the long-term stability of the federation would be more uncertain.

Being a couple of seasons removed from the switch from Austria to France, France as a federation still has the lowest amount of "natural born" players (17, Ireland is second fewest with 19) which puts a lot of emphasis on the federation being active with transfers, which some federations have had more success with than others. Even Independent Russia with currently 28 "natural born" players have long had issues with an active federation as a consequence of which has resulted in a lot of additional workload for the IIHF HO in making sure all federations follow the preparations for each tournament.

I can only speak for myself in regards to the IIHF vote in this appointment but I would say that the "winning" application was the one I had the least prior knowledge about as a user. At the end of the day when all else was equal in the final applications, I weighed IIHF long-term stability over the constraint that a IIHF federation could not be split from another or that it would not be a valid application because of an IRL non UN Nation status. Note that we use Federation within the IIHF, not nation, as Great Britain in the current IIHF sense is not a nation either but a region encompassing England, Scotland and Wales.Players creating from Northern Ireland have been given the right to choose who they want to be assigned to at the start, Ireland, Great Britain or Unassigned. EDIT: I misinterpreted something in a discussion said long ago, this is not the case.

My viewpoint on this has slightly changed since the last time applications for a federation promotion was taken. I remember applications for both Québec and an African Confederation at the time which I gave a low "score" right at the get go due to them not being generally recognized federations in the IIHF sense. As my own workload elsewhere has increased and the lack of applications for IIHF HO, my priorities shifted towards favoring applications that I think would provide a stable federation both now with the current applicants and the future when they eventually move on to other endeavors.

***Aephino*** · 09-07-2024, 11:35 AM

09-07-2024, 08:44 AMBfine Wrote: You know Quebec the province and Quebec City are two different things right?

This would be like being mad we have a New England in the SHL then mad we added Maine to the J when New England already exists because “it’s already covered”

I never said they are the same - I have no issue with the fact they're different places. Plus it now offers people a more personal IIHF nation (which I've already seen lots excited)!

It is not the same as Maine and New England. They both literally have "Quebec" in the name. It just seems unnecessarily confusing and uncreative when we have limitless other options. Here in the SHL we don't have multiple "New York," "Los Angeles," "Chicago" teams even though duplicate team names in the same sport exist in real life. The fun of a sim league is to be more creative and have different names.

*slothfacekilla* · 09-07-2024, 11:44 AM

I look forward to all this apparent unbridled excitement that's going to get injected into the IIHF sphere as a result of people getting a federation for where they live in real life.

***bluesfan55*** · 09-07-2024, 12:36 PM

nah man this makes no sense

ty to @High Stick King @EvilAllBran and @Ragnar for the sigs

***bluesfan55*** · 09-07-2024, 12:39 PM

09-06-2024, 08:19 PMSeany148 Wrote: Yes and yes, as per the very thread you commented in:

the offer to transfer any Active player originally born in the new Federation as an exceptional transfer

- the automatic transfer of Independent Russia players to the new Federation. These players will be not be considered "locked" players until after the S79 IIHF Tournament and may choose to transfer out to another Federation using the transfer rules of the IIHF.

ah yes the very quebecois name of slava kasyanenko will be playing for a canadian province in an iihf tournament. cool!

ty to @High Stick King @EvilAllBran and @Ragnar for the sigs

***Seany148*** · 09-07-2024, 12:51 PM

09-07-2024, 12:39 PMbluesfan55 Wrote: ah yes the very quebecois name of slava kasyanenko will be playing for a canadian province in an iihf tournament. cool!

Can't get more french than that

*JURT* · 09-07-2024, 01:37 PM

09-07-2024, 11:35 AMAephino Wrote: They both literally have "Quebec" in the name.

Hold on lemme go back to the 1800s to tell my ancestors not to name the province the same thing as the city because Americans in 2024 are just too easily confused.

***JohnFranklinKennedy*** · 09-07-2024, 01:44 PM

09-07-2024, 01:37 PMJURT Wrote: Hold on lemme go back to the 1800s to tell my ancestors not to name the province the same thing as the city because Americans in 2024 are just too easily confused.

hey we have a kansas city that isnt even in kansas we like to get freaky here too

icewindoo · 09-07-2024, 04:20 PM

09-06-2024, 06:23 PMartermis Wrote: Voting and deliberation has concluded, and IIHF HO has decided that, in spite of Quebec's exclusion from the shortlisted nations, that the interest and excitement shown in a Quebec team, as well as the likely long-term stability of a Quebec team certainly make a Quebec team credible.

As a result, IIHF HO has voted to hire @Revontulete as Federation Head of Quebec.

Independent Russia is to be demoted, and Quebec will be promoted in a process to be ironed out, yet likely resembling the format described in this post, as we look involve HO, Canada, and Quebec in a dialogue on the subject.

Now that transfers are starting to take place, could you please clarify two points?

1. What happens to the WJC teams?

2. Will current Assigned-to-Canada players be permitted an exceptional / free transfer to another Federation?

***artermis*** · 09-07-2024, 04:31 PM

09-07-2024, 04:20 PMicewindoo Wrote: Now that transfers are starting to take place, could you please clarify two points?

1. What happens to the WJC teams?

2. Will current Assigned-to-Canada players be permitted an exceptional / free transfer to another Federation?

I can certainly!

on 1) That will be up to WJC HO I'm afraid, on that matter I suggest asking one of the following (I don't want to tag just in case they're still figuring this out themselves)

WJC COMMISSIONER:
CloudRobot

WJC HEAD OFFICE MEMBERS
Esso2264
Halkohol
PapaSorin
Troy_McClure03

2) This was brought up in SHL general as well, we're going to talk about this as well.

Waters · 09-07-2024, 11:13 PM

09-06-2024, 06:59 PMAephino Wrote: 195 nations in the world and we choose a province with the same name as an existing team?

Australia, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, South Korea all seemed awesome