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hhh81 · 03-18-2025, 02:27 PM

Prompt 2

When it comes to outstanding forwards that may be going under the radar, it’s hard to ignore what Jarrod Lakemore did in Buffalo. While he was outside the top 10 league scorers, his 91 points led Buffalo by a large margin, and he was top 10 in goals leaguewide as well. Buffalo was middle of the pack offensively, so the aging Lakemore carried a huge load leading the Stampede back to the playoffs. He should be in the mix, for sure.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention someone who should be a consensus finalist for the McBride, sophomore Evil Kyle Murray. He’s a huge—if not the biggest reason—that Baltimore reached the playoffs this season. The Platoon got absolutely cratered when backup Grant Berd was between the pipes, but their young starter was a force in net. He was top 10 in starts (53), wins (29, 7th), GAA (3.31, tied for 10th), shots against (4th), while making the second most saves in the entire league and finishing 3rd among primary starter goalies in save percentage (0.911, trailing on SFP’s Time and ATL’s Stun Gun). All of that alongside a new-look BAP offense that was weaker than previous iterations. Even if he’s likely a distant second for McBride, I think Murray has the strongest claim to being the most valuable player to his team among goaltenders.

As for how I think those players match up to Logan Webb, I think it’s disqualifying to call a player who was on a line with two other 90+ point scorers and a goalie having a truly banner season the most valuable player on their own team, much less in the entire league. People who argue in Webb’s favor are frankly unserious and I don’t value their opinion; I may even be willing to extend that to anyone pushing for anyone on SFP for this award. MVP and Most Outstanding Player are different things, and Webb just isn’t that.

***RAmenAmen*** · 03-18-2025, 02:56 PM

Prompt 2:

Here's a thought: if your performance is good enough to warrant an entire PT prompt asking for who *else* should be in the running for MVP, you've made it pretty clear you were the best on the ice this season. As much as I love seeing Time pop up here in the conversation, you can't just lump someone like Logan Webb in with the "top point scorer so MVP by default" category. The season's only 50 goal scorer led his team and the league from day one, despite playing on the wing, where FHM notoriously makes it difficult to compete with centers. It's the first time in recent memory that a winger has topped the charts, and I'd hate to see him written off as "default forward" when his accomplishments have been a statistical anomaly.

But as so many here have stated, we're not here to talk about the best player, we're here to talk about the most valuable player, and that's where Webb really shines. What most people don't see, and what doesn't appear on the scoresheet every sim, is that there wouldn't be a Pride without Spidey leading the team in the locker room. Taking up the alternate captaincy almost from the moment he joined the team, he's rallied players to activity, advocated for their accomplishments above his own, and become the face of "team before player" for eight seasons. There isn't a stat on the index that measures the kind of value he brings to his team, and adding the best performance by a skater this season on top of it makes him the clear MVP.

***Jexter*** · 03-18-2025, 03:46 PM

Written 1: I think that the best (well maybe not the best, but certainly a crazy and maybe entertaining) way to try to eliminate the constant back to back championships would be a new rule that the backup goalie must start at least forty percent of the playoff games for a team. Obviously for some teams, this will be no big deal, as we all know, Goalie TPE does not matter in the current engine. However, maybe in the new engine, it might actually be a big difference

Also some goalies may be on a hot streak while others can be on a cold one, forcing teams to play differently when they have a goalie that might be letting in a few more goals than average. What will the high flying offense of San Francisco do when they have to worry about playing defense? Probably still win in the end, but hey it is an idea.

spidey · 03-18-2025, 03:52 PM

I think there are a lot of people who had good seasons this year for a number of reasons and to say they do not deserve the Most Outstanding Player of the year without even taking into consideration what another person says or feels may be ridiculously close minded conclusion.

For me the person who truly had the most outstanding season this year is Justin Time. Let's get this out of the way right now, yes Justin Time played on a very good team, that is why he had so many wins, and as we can all agree wins are very team based as a stat category.

What is not team based, GAA, Save percentage, GSAA, and shutouts. Justin Time lead the league in each of these categories 2.54 GAA, .923 save %, 48.97 GSAA, 5 shutouts (tied for 1st). I am sure a few of you would say, well his team helped, that doesn't look to be true. Time faced the 8th most shots 1790. Meaning he faced a medium amount among the starting goalies. His team and defense did not bail him out. Oh, and his GSAA is a modern record for the SHL!

Like I said there were a lot of great players this season in their own right but no one had a season like Justin Time managed.

LGRW613 · 03-18-2025, 04:39 PM

I'm going to take a different approach, and really go for the Most Valuable Player, which means the player that added the most value to their team. While the Ron Mexico tends to focus on goals/assists/points, I'm going to focus on the player that made the biggest difference for their team.

So let's talk about Song Ju-Gong.

Since S79, I have been banging the Song drum. It was clear to me then that Song would be the biggest difference maker in Montreal's rebuild, and boy did they bring it this season. Song finished S81 with a fantastic .904 save percentage, and 3.25 goals against average, and 3 shutouts to put the icing on the cake. On the back of this stellar performance through 55 games, Montreal saw their position in the standings absolutely soar, going from 18th to 7th and returning to the SHL playoffs for the first time since season 72, an almost decade long drought. Song looks to have found their form as a starting goalie in the SHL, and I'm betting that we should continue to see an improvement in their numbers going forward, as Song looks to round out their game by adding consistency to it.

Andy · 03-18-2025, 05:38 PM

I think a couple of changes would be cool to spice things up. First the general changes. While I understand that we don't want to necesarily give out loser trophies, a secondary "NIT" type or playoffs could be beneficial. It sucks for activity for players to sit out during playoffs and not have any reason to check the site or the SHL youtube.

My idea to shake things up would be a losers bracket. In the losers bracket, East and west do not matter anymore. I think this creates better parity but also keeps things interesting. I think the same first round games are also rather boring and no one wants to go, oh great we are playing Chicago for the 100th time in the first round. I think the losers bracket could create exciting match ups. I also think then having a final of the losers bracket vs the winners bracket could be very interesting. What if in reality the best two teams are actually in the East or the West. That could make the semi finals of the cup more important than the cup. If you have a losers bracket, that rematch of the semi finals could be possible and you could have the east vs east or west vs west cup that you should have had to begin with.

MattyIce · 03-18-2025, 06:44 PM

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For me personally, someone that deserves consideration is his teammate, goaltender Justin Time. I mean, he is largely the reason the San Francisco Pride win games, by him keeping the pucks that do reach him out of the net. He does have a solid defense corps in front of him, and they did score way more than he let in, but the close games they won could have been losses if not for Justin Time.

He's 1st in wins (by 7, like, come on...), 1st in goals against average and goals saved above average (by a whopping margin), 5th in total saves, 1st in goals against average and also shares the lead in shutouts. That's a very impressive campaign if you asked any rational MVP voter. Sure he isn't putting pucks in the net like Webb is, but he's doing the exact opposite which is just as important to winning games. Comparing him to the other goalies too, he's just the top candidate for the award.

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**leafsftw1967** · 03-18-2025, 06:51 PM

Written Option 2: While I am definitely biased I do think Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava carried Chicago and deserves a nomination and recognition for the Most Valuable Player in the SHL regular season as voted by the SHL community with the Sarmad Khan Trophy. Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava ended up finishing the SHL regular season second in goals in the league with 49 and was only one behind the leader Webbb (with Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava having 18 more goals then the next best teammate which is the biggest gap on any team) and finished in the top ten for points (with Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava having 6 more points then the next best teammate) and had solid advanced stats/metrics in comparison to his teammates in Chicago. An important note is Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava finished with the least average time on the ice per game then anyone else in the top 30 points in the SHL making the most of his time finishing in the top 10 for points and 2nd in goals

Vice · 03-18-2025, 07:31 PM

Written Option 1: Well if the league is giving me the unilateral power to just implement rules to make it more interesting or if my goal is to 'stop the threepeat' then I think the rule that I implement should basically be that three-peats aren't allowed! After winning two in a row, it's determined that your team is just too good! So your team will be awarded with a solid gold version of the trophy and it will just have a plaque on it that says "You won!" and then we have an expansion draft except everyone on that team is distributed out to the other teams in the league and all the other teams then send back someone to the good team. If they're really good, then they would three-peat with all of the rejects from the other teams! If anything I think this would be a challenge mode for the good teams and it could possibly spice up some boring league setups. Nothing too serious.

Vrain · 03-18-2025, 08:38 PM

Written Option 2:

While the forwards get the all the attention for MVP, this season the Sarmad Khan Trophy should go to a goalie, and my choice is Webb's San Francisco Pride teammate Justin Time. SFP's high powered offense is incredible but Time's contributions eclipse those of the offense this season. Time played more minutes than any other goalie while still leading the league in every major category. Time had a slim edge in wins (40) and tied in shutouts (5) but the average stats give the real strong edge. Time's 2.54 GAA just edged out Atlanta's Stun Gun but the gap to 3rd (2.93) is immense. Time was also the only goalie with over .920 Save% at .923 and stopped 48.97 goals saved above average, which was 20 over any other goalie. Time should be a unanimous choice for goalie of the year, and should be frontrunner for the MVP as well. Others who should be considered are Seattle Defenseman Stavros Kondos who led all defense in points and assists, and Atlanta's Ubba Lodbrok who led the league in assists and finished only a few points behind Webb.

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karlssens · 03-18-2025, 09:31 PM

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Written Option 2: Often the top scoring forward is heavy favorite for the Sarmad Khan Trophy (the players MVP) but it doesn’t has to be so. Select a player or few players from defencemen, goalies and forwards other than Logan Webb (sorry spidey) who you think should be in consideration when people are voting for MVP and how they compare against Webb. Who you predict will end up winning the Sarmad Khan Trophy?

Very much the same case in the SHL, the MVP award is often given to a forward, or on the rare occasion a goalie, but the defensemen get very little to zero love for this award. The fact that Logan Webb, as a winger, is a top the points category is very impressive given how the simulator works and in my mind gives him an edge over the other forwards, but for the sake of this PT the next 3 players to score 100 points or more are all centers and all won at least 50% of their draws. Of those 3 I think the player with the best chance to upset Webb would be Jae-ik Barron with 41 goals, 6 GWG, +32 rating and most importantly he played nearly 3 minutes on average of short handed time, almost 3 times as much as other big point scoring players. He's also 13 points clear of his next closest teammate, whereas Webb, Fenix and Lodbrok have a bit more help in that area. But perhaps his toughest competition is his own teammate, Justin Time. He finished first in wins, GAA, GSAA, save% and shutouts.

Renomitsu · 03-18-2025, 10:18 PM

The obvious and boring rule change to make is anyone on the San Francisco Pride cannot score a goal, which means they'd be an immediate first round exit unless no team can ever score a goal against them during the playoffs.

I think the major change one COULD make to totally change the game is you can earn goals based on fight wins. It becomes basically the MMA on ice, obviously can't use anything other than your fisticuffs, and the entirety of the ice basically becomes a brawl. I mean, why would you want to play hockey if the other team's just trying to straight up beat you to smithereens AND can get the same goals that you're trying to do all of your funny tricks for? Lots of penalties considered for roughhousing are eliminated obviously, and probably the score totals for each game go up like absolutely crazy. I guess people like watching fighting to begin with enough to pay large PPV costs to watch fights that sometimes only last for a few minutes, why not do 45 straight minutes of just absolutely brutal fighting? Get the WWE refs out here too for good measure, and uh... maybe blunt those skates. A lot.

Troy_McClure03 · 03-18-2025, 10:29 PM

There are many ways to to mix things up and make the playoffs more interesting. The one that makes me think would have the biggest effect, however, is tinted visors. How? Tint them 100%. Robo Cop style. You can't see anything straight ahead, but you can see the ice under you. oh, and the goalies, they have to switch sides at random intervals. So, if the goalies are informed to switch by one of those vibrating pagers they have in there helmet, they gotta skate to the other side. But they do not have to tell anyone. So faking it can be a strat. The only people who know which goal is the correct goal is the league themselves.

Also, whoever loses the cup at the end has to play last place for the rights to first overall pick. They have to play with the lights off, but the puck will be on fire to see it. (158)

*Carpy48* · 03-19-2025, 03:18 AM

Written Option 2

How can we not pick Justin Time here? Goalies are often underappreciated in this category - as we know often all that's looked at is how many points the best skater has at the end of the season and very often that iss a forward. Goalies matter, too! Of course you could argue that Time performs well season after season, but continuing to do so at this age?? I'd really like to know what he eats for breakfast. What is especially impressive this season is the SV% which is a career high at 0.923, but that's not even the best number I'd like to look at (you might just hand him the McBride for that). Just look at GSAA and try not to faint: 48.97! I really don't know how you could possibly vote for a forward this season. Of course Logan Webb has had over 100 points for the first time in his career as well, but I feel like for goalies it's that much more impressive and it's a start - look at goalies more in the future.

ibuprofenaddict · 03-19-2025, 08:12 AM

Option 2:

I decided to look, mostly at non-forwards, who could be considered for the Khan trophy for this season and came up with a couple of suggestions. Ill start with Seattle Defenseman Kal Akar Kekkonen. Kal his career highs in goals (29), points (56), +/- (+13) as well as Corsi and Fenwick, cruising above 50% easily for the first time including a 4.6% Corsi Rel showing that the Argonauts were far better with Kal on the ice than without. This player wasn’t just a powerplay specialist either, tying for fourth in the league for hits by a defender as well as coming up with 63 takeaways versus only 7 giveaways which is solid work for a player with the offensive acumen of Kekkonen. Additionally, the player doesn’t play for SFP. Speaking of SFP though, goaltender Justin Time continues to defy the aging process, leading the league in wins, GAA, save %, and shutouts. The most baffling part though, is his goals saves above average - Time recorded 49 goals saved above average, a full 19 higher than the second place player in the category. By most metrics this was Time’s best career season, despite it being his FIFTEENTH in the league, which is just crazy. While these two players seem deserving, the Khan will still go to Webb for all the reasons outlined in the prompt. The thing that is still impressive about Webb though, is he put up these numbers on the Wing, while Centers typically fair better in the league offensively – so I don’t want to minimize anything accomplished by the player and a win would still be fully deserved.

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