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RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - Acsolap - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:39 PMDrunkenTeddy Wrote:08-20-2021, 06:24 PMKeygan Wrote: I believe wholeheartedly that head office should be allowed to post their conclusion prior to head office stepping in, as I think they are going to eat a lot of flak for something they had nothing to do with.
HO originally was going to let all 3 go to bidding. While I'm sure people would love to see Hamilton lose 3 1st round picks due to negligence, it is absolutely not what the rule was meant for. I feel partially responsible for not pointing that out in Tommy's rule overview/clarification. The whole point is to stop GMs from abusing a loophole that allowed them to keep players rights without spending cap.
They hadn't lost them though had they? They can always win the bidding process. Seems like a massive over reach by the owners to circumvent HO decision making. Considering this rule was followed by 19/20 SHL teams it's a bit weak to make an exception.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - Alaska - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:48 PMAce Wrote: When I was the NEW GM, I was fired because the rulebook was black and white. The HO error on managing the pick tracker was irrelevant because the rulebook was clear.Well you see Ace, you don’t have that little Steelhawks banner attached to your name! Happy to help you clear up that confusion!
The rulebook seems clear in this case too.
Seems like different results for different teams, and different results for different users.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - Vik - 08-20-2021
Lmao trade all the 2nd round picks that is a big brain move Hamilton playing 5D chess again I love it draft me lmao
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - zaynzk - 08-20-2021
Lol what a Slap on the wrist
This is an embarrassment
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - JSS - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:50 PMAir Crou Wrote:08-20-2021, 06:41 PMJSS Wrote: are you born in greece or? parents/grandparents?
Born and raised! You?
yo fr? how tf did you get into hockey all the way in greece. my dad is from zakynthos, mom from athens but i was born and raised in canada
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - boom - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:48 PMAce Wrote: When I was the NEW GM, I was fired because the rulebook was black and white. The HO error on managing the pick tracker was irrelevant because the rulebook was clear.And EDM ate a $12 million cap penalty in which it wasn’t even totally our fault.
The rulebook seems clear in this case too.
Seems like different results for different teams, and different results for different users.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - sve7en - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:47 PMzeagle1 Wrote: Something something even ISFL HO wouldn't have given such a weak punishment
I mean..
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - nykonax - 08-20-2021
i still dont get how a team can obviously break the rules, have HO agree they broke the rules and give them the proper punishment, then have owners just come in an be like "nah theyll lose some 2nd".
Would love more insight into the appeals process though and everyone who is making the appeal decision
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - monochroma - 08-20-2021
god what the fuck is this
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - grok - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:36 PMPythonic Wrote:it would be trivial for HO to confirm those screenshots are manipulated and a GM caught doing it would never work a job in the league again, if they didn't get banned on the spot. but if that's the hill you want to die on be my guest
wtf @Air Crou is this true?
(original image)
This is my favorite thing to do now that I know Discord DMs count for something. You can also edit the date, the username, hell, even their profile picture. If someone actually wanted to do harm with this, they definitely could.
![[Image: unknown.png]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853709536032325653/878406542813200444/unknown.png)
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - SpartanGibbles - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:50 PMAcsolap Wrote:This is the part I don't get, the rules clearly state they go to bidding. Any team can bid, but that's supposed to be the consequence of not getting your draftees signed by the deadline. Seems black and white to the most of us.08-20-2021, 06:39 PMDrunkenTeddy Wrote: HO originally was going to let all 3 go to bidding. While I'm sure people would love to see Hamilton lose 3 1st round picks due to negligence, it is absolutely not what the rule was meant for. I feel partially responsible for not pointing that out in Tommy's rule overview/clarification. The whole point is to stop GMs from abusing a loophole that allowed them to keep players rights without spending cap.
They hadn't lost them though had they? They can always win the bidding process. Seems like a massive over reach by the owners to circumvent HO decision making. Considering this rule was followed by 19/20 SHL teams it's a bit weak to make an exception.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - SDCore - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:52 PMnykonax Wrote: i still dont get how a team can obviously break the rules, have HO agree they broke the rules and give them the proper punishment, then have owners just come in an be like "nah theyll lose some 2nd".
Would love more insight into the appeals process though and everyone who is making the appeal decision
they uh... skipped that step.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - TnlAstatine - 08-20-2021
I wonder just how many of these horrible decisions it's going to take, until people start just not returning to this site. Oh my lawd dis bad.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - Air Crou - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:48 PMMemento Mori Wrote:Don't say I didn't warn you about this08-20-2021, 06:40 PMAir Crou Wrote: @Memento Mori I think this gives you the perfect answer. Python did this to me as a joke. Imagine someone with malicious intents. A GM wanting to sign a FA after getting rejected, perhaps.We've not seen a spate of unjust punishments due to people falsely accusing others of harassing them/abusing them/tampering them via discord DMs, what makes you think it's going to start now? This is not the first time discord DMs have been taken into account in a sim league punishment.
RE: HAM Punishment and Ruling on Draftee Signings - Arkz - 08-20-2021
08-20-2021, 06:52 PMnykonax Wrote: i still dont get how a team can obviously break the rules, have HO agree they broke the rules and give them the proper punishment, then have owners just come in an be like "nah theyll lose some 2nd".In the original post by Teddy, apparently there can't be an appeal of this decision.
Would love more insight into the appeals process though and everyone who is making the appeal decision