04-04-2022, 04:33 PMRotticusScott Wrote:

04-04-2022, 04:26 PMCampinKiller Wrote: They also "don't test" according to their coGM and apparently lost the vast majority of their tests vs LAP, while Fuzz had maybe a 30% success rate, so.

This was in reference to being told Hallsy and I spend our entire lives sim testing. Fuzz can say what he wants, we were sub 50% against Bap and hovering around 50% vs LAP. Here Is a screenshot from our management channel before the BAP series.

04-04-2022, 08:38 PMnour Wrote: It's not a popular take, but if we care about closer parity in Juniors, you need to cull 2 teams from the league at minimum. SHL playerbase is stable enough to expand when it makes sense for them, Juniors playerbase is way too unpredictable to field 14 teams when sub-60 player draft classes are the norm now.

04-04-2022, 09:29 PMlespoils Wrote:

04-04-2022, 08:38 PMnour Wrote: It's not a popular take, but if we care about closer parity in Juniors, you need to cull 2 teams from the league at minimum. SHL playerbase is stable enough to expand when it makes sense for them, Juniors playerbase is way too unpredictable to field 14 teams when sub-60 player draft classes are the norm now.

As J GM of one of the two teams from the most recent expansion, this idea terrifies me, but I can never find any argument to disagree with it.

04-04-2022, 09:34 PMnour Wrote: Fwiw if it was up to me, I wouldn't just cull the newest teams, I think hands down the best way is to find which teams have the least active discords/the least amount of active players, or some sort of combo of metrics that assess which teams are objectively the worst landing spots for a new create's ability to stay active. Doing this will almost certainly have us kill teams with a lot of history, but history means nothing if no one is actively keeping it, you know?

04-04-2022, 09:34 PMnour Wrote:

04-04-2022, 09:29 PMlespoils Wrote: As J GM of one of the two teams from the most recent expansion, this idea terrifies me, but I can never find any argument to disagree with it.

Fwiw if it was up to me, I wouldn't just cull the newest teams, I think hands down the best way is to find which teams have the least active discords/the least amount of active players, or some sort of combo of metrics that assess which teams are objectively the worst landing spots for a new create's ability to stay active. Doing this will almost certainly have us kill teams with a lot of history, but history means nothing if no one is actively keeping it, you know?

04-04-2022, 09:18 PMfishy Wrote:

04-04-2022, 04:33 PMRotticusScott Wrote: This was in reference to being told Hallsy and I spend our entire lives sim testing. Fuzz can say what he wants, we were sub 50% against Bap and hovering around 50% vs LAP. Here Is a screenshot from our management channel before the BAP series.

I’ll actually stick up for u guys for a moment here lol,  they also won two basically 50/50 coin flips against BUF when they were down 3-2 before even RNGing a BAP series win

HAMs obviously dominated bc they’re good at fhm on top of other things but to think some of their cup wins aren’t RNG luck is absurd

04-04-2022, 03:53 PMSburbine Wrote:

04-04-2022, 03:36 PMWaters Wrote: That’s not what the post I was replying to said, so it does help. Also, I don’t agree. The things that make a team good in SHL and SMJHL are largely similar, and they are the things you listed when you were praising NL. Good trades, good drafting and good locker room. The difference is, while hamilton wins a lot of games (not even true right now, they suck), NL wins almost every game in a league where the smaller theoretical success windows should allow teams to be more even. I believe you guys are working on it, but posts that compare NL favourably to HAM makes it sound like you guys think their dominance isn’t as bad so it’s not as pressing an issue. I think it’s actually much worse.

If it makes you feel any better NL is about to lose 8 players in the offseason. SHL teams don't go through anything even remotely similar. If NL can still dominate next season then I'll agree with you. The main issue is Hamilton is able to do it with middling TPE (see last season) while NL has the highest TPE in the J.

04-05-2022, 01:05 AMSlashACM Wrote: Hamilton be some shitty poop ass shit

04-04-2022, 04:58 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Hamilton and Newfoundland both have GMs/coaching staff who are very, very good at FHM. I don't think anyone would argue that. But being good at the sim does not get you as far in the J as it does in the SHL. Being good at the sim is absolutely not enough when the lifespan of any player you acquire, regardless of how good they are or how you acquire them, is a maximum of five seasons. That limited lifespan completely changes the way you have to build your team, and the things you have to focus on. It limits the extent to which you can rely on certain things that SHL GMs can rely on. A juniors team can't have a whole team commit to a ten-season big picture or build theory, the landscape is always changing. A juniors GM has to be absolutely on top of things that SHL gms generally don't have to worry about. When was the last time an SHL GM (outside of those paid to be mentors) had to spend hours helping somebody completely new to the site figure out how to do an update thread? What percentage of an active SHL roster has to be gently reminded to do their PTs every single week? (I don't have data on that, but I'd wager it's a lot lower than it is in the J).

Free agency in the J and free agency in the SHL are completely different animals, and that was actually the main point of the second paragraph of my original post (I know that got kind of lost in all of the "why is Hamilton involved here" scuffle and I think I could probably have been a little clearer about that, so that's on me). There is absolutely no equivalent in the SHL for getting a blank slate player that you can guide into the build strategy of your team without having to consider significant budget ramifications, or using/spending significant assets for them. I admit that I don't know what Hamilton is like on the inside, but from the outside, it looks like a group of tightly-knit friends who are committed to one team strategy for literal real life years at a time, who will almost definitely want to come back to that same team with their next create, and I am in no way saying that's a bad thing, but it's a completely different picture than anything you can build in the J.

04-04-2022, 04:58 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: People like to bring up the boogeyman of "J lifers" but as ACap already explained, the data just does not support the claim that that is the big problem here. The rules currently allow players to play a fifth season in the J, and maybe there's a conversation to be had about whether we want that to continue, but we just do not see this overwhelming influx of repeat users recreating to join the same J team over and over and over again. Sure, we see established users express a preference for going to a certain J team when they recreate, but they are by and large users who go on to have full SHL careers after that. When people stall out in the J and play five seasons, it's usually because they've either a. decided they aren't really interested in sticking around but like their J team enough to make it to the cap and finish their time out here, or b. gone fully inactive. I can count on one hand the number of users I've ever had tell me in the entire 3+ years I've been here that they actually intend to only ever play in the J and recreate repeatedly to do so - it happens, but I don't think it happens nearly as often as people think.

04-05-2022, 12:04 PMRashfordU Wrote: What if 5th Season J Players had to revert back to their 350 build if they wanted to stay in the SMJHL?