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#31

04-08-2019, 02:29 PMBDonini Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:21 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Yeah, it looks like you and @FuzzSHL are correct. Both teams are exactly at the salary cap. Buffalo has 2 HTD's while NOLA has none. So maybe removal of HTD's combined with a salary cap reduction is the answer. I do firmly believe that S45 EDM, S46 BUF and S46 NOLA's teams were all too stacked. Is that unrealistic? Not really, I mean look at Tampa Bay, but it definitely makes for a rough experience for users on bad teams and I think the wildcard round was a bad way of keeping players on bad teams more engaged during the playoffs.

Yea, maybe an increase in minimum contracts could make it more difficult for teams to stack high TPE players and also make salaries looks little more realistic.

Maybe. There's not too much you can do in terms of minimum contracts without making it harder on rookies to make money. Sure, there's a lot of opportunities, but I know for the casual member here, it's hard as it is to make money. I feel like I've done a lot of media work and I'm still not in too fantastic of a spot for my bank. So raising the minimum contracts could kill two birds with one stone. But I feel like the "solution" here would be to take a second look at player tiers. Maybe find a way to add more tiers, make some "production" tiers and "role player" tiers (those who don't put up a lot of shots, but block a lot of shots, play more defensively-centered roles, etc) to alleviate the tier drop that HTD allows.

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#32

04-08-2019, 02:38 PMFuzzSHL Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:29 PMBDonini Wrote: Yea, maybe an increase in minimum contracts could make it more difficult for teams to stack high TPE players and also make salaries looks little more realistic.

Maybe. There's not too much you can do in terms of minimum contracts without making it harder on rookies to make money. Sure, there's a lot of opportunities, but I know for the casual member here, it's hard as it is to make money. I feel like I've done a lot of media work and I'm still not in too fantastic of a spot for my bank. So raising the minimum contracts could kill two birds with one stone. But I feel like the "solution" here would be to take a second look at player tiers. Maybe find a way to add more tiers, make some "production" tiers and "role player" tiers (those who don't put up a lot of shots, but block a lot of shots, play more defensively-centered roles, etc) to alleviate the tier drop that HTD allows.

I'm not sure what you mean, how would increasing the minimum contracts for each tier not make it easier for rookies?

Yeah it's tough to have a steady bank through media, jobs seem to be the way to go.

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04-08-2019, 02:38 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:33 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: Remove our HTD’s AND lower the cap and we can still ice that roster. We had a 10th forward, a 7th defenseman, and like 8 or 9 send-downs.

Buffalo too good tho gotta change cap to stop us I guess Stampede

Right, and that's fine. But being able to ice that roster should come at the cost of your prospects.

Congratulations on your cup, you guys deserve it. But this isn't about Buffalo specifically, and the fact that you're trying to make it about you is silly and unproductive.
You’re literally the one who called our team out because we don’t represent parity in your mind

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04-08-2019, 02:46 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:38 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: Maybe. There's not too much you can do in terms of minimum contracts without making it harder on rookies to make money. Sure, there's a lot of opportunities, but I know for the casual member here, it's hard as it is to make money. I feel like I've done a lot of media work and I'm still not in too fantastic of a spot for my bank. So raising the minimum contracts could kill two birds with one stone. But I feel like the "solution" here would be to take a second look at player tiers. Maybe find a way to add more tiers, make some "production" tiers and "role player" tiers (those who don't put up a lot of shots, but block a lot of shots, play more defensively-centered roles, etc) to alleviate the tier drop that HTD allows.

I'm not sure what you mean, how would increasing the minimum contracts for each tier not make it easier for rookies?

Yeah it's tough to have a steady bank through media, jobs seem to be the way to go.

Sorry, working on a media article at the same time as this. I worded it stupid wrong, but I was saying increasing rookie contracts would help rookies and raising the minimum would make it easier. But I was also saying that one idea could be adding tiers, maybe separating scoring tiers from "role" tiers if that was even possible. Make a higher number of tiers and make them smaller, increment the minimum salary little by little instead of having a fewer number of tiers and larger "minimum" jumps. If that makes sense.

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04-08-2019, 02:51 PMWannabeFinn Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:38 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Right, and that's fine. But being able to ice that roster should come at the cost of your prospects.

Congratulations on your cup, you guys deserve it. But this isn't about Buffalo specifically, and the fact that you're trying to make it about you is silly and unproductive.
You’re literally the one who called our team out because we don’t represent parity in your mind

Buffalo is an example, not the single team I listed. In recent memory there was also Winnipeg when they had Visser, Evans, Jesus, Bearss, Volkova, Kylrad, Weber, Orlov, Hale, Grease, and Zhumbayev.

You haven't been singled out, and this isn't even calling you out. I'm asking people to talk about something I think is an issue with the rules so HO can consider whether or not a rule change could be considered in the future. It's not as if I'm saying you, NOLA, EDM or WPG did anything wrong, just that these teams have all been essentially super teams. You don't see Karlsson, Crosby, Tavares, McDavid, and Ovechkin all on the same team in the NHL do you?

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04-08-2019, 02:57 PMFuzzSHL Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:46 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: I'm not sure what you mean, how would increasing the minimum contracts for each tier not make it easier for rookies?

Yeah it's tough to have a steady bank through media, jobs seem to be the way to go.

Sorry, working on a media article at the same time as this. I worded it stupid wrong, but I was saying increasing rookie contracts would help rookies and raising the minimum would make it easier. But I was also saying that one idea could be adding tiers, maybe separating scoring tiers from "role" tiers if that was even possible. Make a higher number of tiers and make them smaller, increment the minimum salary little by little instead of having a fewer number of tiers and larger "minimum" jumps. If that makes sense.

Okay that makes much more sense!

With the lack of build diversity I don't think that idea would go over very well, but it's still worth looking into.

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04-08-2019, 03:05 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:57 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: Sorry, working on a media article at the same time as this. I worded it stupid wrong, but I was saying increasing rookie contracts would help rookies and raising the minimum would make it easier. But I was also saying that one idea could be adding tiers, maybe separating scoring tiers from "role" tiers if that was even possible. Make a higher number of tiers and make them smaller, increment the minimum salary little by little instead of having a fewer number of tiers and larger "minimum" jumps. If that makes sense.

Okay that makes much more sense!

With the lack of build diversity I don't think that idea would go over very well, but it's still worth looking into.

Yeah, it may end up being something that takes too much time to feasibly do in terms of separating "scoring" from "role" players. But maybe making the tiers smaller and adding more tiers could be something viable. make the tiers change based on 5-season averages of skaters/goalies/however they do tiers now. That way it slightly changes each season, but it still makes for tiers that work. I don't know, it's just an idea.

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#38

04-08-2019, 01:46 PMGrapehead Wrote: It amounts to about $2m in savings for a team with two eligible players (SFP only has one eligible for a HTD I believe)

I'm happy to take it or leave it tbh

4m, no?

Tier 5s can go from 5m to 3m. That times 2 players

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04-08-2019, 03:16 PM.bojo Wrote:
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMGrapehead Wrote: It amounts to about $2m in savings for a team with two eligible players (SFP only has one eligible for a HTD I believe)

I'm happy to take it or leave it tbh

4m, no?

Tier 5s can go from 5m to 3m. That times 2 players

Yeah I believe it'd be 4 mil. So that gives room for 1 more decent player. Not as game breaking as I thought it would be, but I still believe it's a detriment to the league.

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04-08-2019, 03:02 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:51 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: You’re literally the one who called our team out because we don’t represent parity in your mind

Buffalo is an example, not the single team I listed. In recent memory there was also Winnipeg when they had Visser, Evans, Jesus, Bearss, Volkova, Kylrad, Weber, Orlov, Hale, Grease, and Zhumbayev.

You haven't been singled out, and this isn't even calling you out. I'm asking people to talk about something I think is an issue with the rules so HO can consider whether or not a rule change could be considered in the future. It's not as if I'm saying you, NOLA, EDM or WPG did anything wrong, just that these teams have all been essentially super teams. You don't see Karlsson, Crosby, Tavares, McDavid, and Ovechkin all on the same team in the NHL do you?


A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers. We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.
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#41

04-08-2019, 02:06 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.

but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.

can't go a day without someone mentioning this Sad

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04-08-2019, 03:39 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:02 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Buffalo is an example, not the single team I listed. In recent memory there was also Winnipeg when they had Visser, Evans, Jesus, Bearss, Volkova, Kylrad, Weber, Orlov, Hale, Grease, and Zhumbayev.

You haven't been singled out, and this isn't even calling you out. I'm asking people to talk about something I think is an issue with the rules so HO can consider whether or not a rule change could be considered in the future. It's not as if I'm saying you, NOLA, EDM or WPG did anything wrong, just that these teams have all been essentially super teams. You don't see Karlsson, Crosby, Tavares, McDavid, and Ovechkin all on the same team in the NHL do you?


A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers.  We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.

Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

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04-08-2019, 03:48 PMJSS Wrote:
04-08-2019, 02:06 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.

can't go a day without someone mentioning this  Sad

It's not your fault, you're doing a great job with the team. The players just haven't finished developing yet.

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04-08-2019, 03:49 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:48 PMJSS Wrote: can't go a day without someone mentioning this  Sad

It's not your fault, you're doing a great job with the team. The players just haven't finished developing yet.

yea ik, im just messing with ya, it was luck

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04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:39 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote: A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers.  We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.

Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

I would hate parity among teams within seasons tbh, everyone would be afraid to make trades with their 1st round pick and honestly it would bring a weird dynamic to the shl. Idk you can rebuild a team in 3-4 seasons which is on par with a regular NHL team or the most part and u still get Hurricanes/oilers/sabres who sucked forever too.
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