I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.
NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.
NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.
NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
NOLA
Players between 2000 - 1500 TPE: Fletcher, Augustus, Kurczewski, Smyth
Players between 1500 - 1000 TPE: Horvat, Eastwood, Hefeweizen, Physt, Czerkawski (and essentailly Kaiser)
Well you know the HTD rule. New Orleans isn't in a position to be able to use a HTD at all. So you saying New Orleans isn't an example of parity is kind of a bad take imo. The contracts they picked up from the expansion draft were either ones they were stuck with or could resign, but nobody got a discount. And from free agency, people chose to go there based on what their player was worth. No one got a discount. I can't speak for Buffalo's cap situation as I don't know it, but like I said, last season they were second to last in the entire league. And a few of those players that Buffalo had retired. So are you saying the salary cap needs to be revisited? Because that would be the issue here, not a hometown discount.
04-08-2019, 02:16 PM(This post was last modified: 04-08-2019, 02:18 PM by BDonini.)
04-08-2019, 02:06 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 01:46 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I like the hometown discount because it allows players who want to stay anyways (and at that point don't need the money) and let younger guys get more money. I could possibly see it being an issue like with Edmonton in S45, but look at this past season. The finals was between an expansion team and a team that finished as the second worst team last season. A favorite heading into this past season didn't even make the playoffs. I don't think parity is an issue currently, but maybe a readjustment to the player tiers and the HTD would alleviate some of the possible issues.
NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
NOLA
Players between 2000 - 1500 TPE: Fletcher, Augustus, Kurczewski, Smyth
Players between 1500 - 1000 TPE: Horvat, Eastwood, Hefeweizen, Physt, Czerkawski (and essentailly Kaiser)
Tbh, I think the issue you're describing has more to do with the cap being too high or the minimum salaries being too low, HTD saves a team at most 2mil so when you look at those two examples (I don't know if Buffalo has 2 HTD's but let's say they do), Buffalo who is exactly at the cap would need to shed 2mil, they can probably do that without losing any of their 1000+ TPE players. NOLA (can they even have anyone on a HTD yet?) would be in the exact same situation, only needing to shed 2m without HTD's (if they have 2 atm).
04-08-2019, 02:06 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
NOLA
Players between 2000 - 1500 TPE: Fletcher, Augustus, Kurczewski, Smyth
Players between 1500 - 1000 TPE: Horvat, Eastwood, Hefeweizen, Physt, Czerkawski (and essentailly Kaiser)
Tbh, I think the issue you're describing has more to do with the cap being too high or the minimum salaries being too low, HTD saves a team at most 2mil so when you look at those two examples (I don't know if Buffalo has 2 HTD's but let's say they do), Buffalo who is exactly at the cap would need to shed 2mil, they can probably do that without losing any of their 1000+ TPE players. NOLA (can they even have anyone on a HTD yet?) would be in the exact same situation, only needing to shed 2m without HTD's (if they have 2 atm).
Yeah, it looks like you and @FuzzSHL are correct. Both teams are exactly at the salary cap. Buffalo has 2 HTD's while NOLA has none. So maybe removal of HTD's combined with a salary cap reduction is the answer. I do firmly believe that S45 EDM, S46 BUF and S46 NOLA's teams were all tii stacked. Is that unrealistic? Not really, I mean look at Tampa Bay, but it definitely makes for a rough experience for users on bad teams and I think the wildcard round was a bad way of keeping players on bad teams more engaged during the playoffs.
04-08-2019, 02:06 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: NOLA isn't an example of parity, far from it, hell Buffalo even moreso. The Stampede are reminiscent of the S45 Blizzard. It's a little puzzling that WKP didn't make the playoffs, but in all honesty Tampa Bay had no business being in the playoffs this season with their current roster. That has more to do with STHS being random than parity.
NOLA
Players between 2000 - 1500 TPE: Fletcher, Augustus, Kurczewski, Smyth
Players between 1500 - 1000 TPE: Horvat, Eastwood, Hefeweizen, Physt, Czerkawski (and essentailly Kaiser)
Are you suggesting our roster wouldn’t be as good if we didn’t have HTD’s? I mean, we had like $10 million overage for senddowns. Lol
Nope, I'm saying that your roster (among others both current and past) is too good and HTD's facilitate that, if only slightly. This isn't something directed at Buffalo, this is something directed at HO and everyone in the SHL in hopes that we can talk about it constructively and hopefully help increase parity to make casual users more viable and valuable to their teams.
Retention is a real concern, and I'm hesitant to discard @"luketd"'s thoughts on how removal of HTD could trade-off with rookie and first-gen salaries. We can't one-for-one compare our league to the NBA or NHL on salaries because players in those leagues can spend their money on food and houses and tiny porcelain figurines. Here we trade contracts for time, and I think it's important to consider how burnout or falling wildly behind impacts our most vulnerable users--first-gen rookies.
04-08-2019, 02:16 PMBDonini Wrote: Tbh, I think the issue you're describing has more to do with the cap being too high or the minimum salaries being too low, HTD saves a team at most 2mil so when you look at those two examples (I don't know if Buffalo has 2 HTD's but let's say they do), Buffalo who is exactly at the cap would need to shed 2mil, they can probably do that without losing any of their 1000+ TPE players. NOLA (can they even have anyone on a HTD yet?) would be in the exact same situation, only needing to shed 2m without HTD's (if they have 2 atm).
Yeah, it looks like you and @FuzzSHL are correct. Both teams are exactly at the salary cap. Buffalo has 2 HTD's while NOLA has none. So maybe removal of HTD's combined with a salary cap reduction is the answer. I do firmly believe that S45 EDM, S46 BUF and S46 NOLA's teams were all tii stacked. Is that unrealistic? Not really, I mean look at Tampa Bay, but it definitely makes for a rough experience for users on bad teams and I think the wildcard round was a bad way of keeping players on bad teams more engaged during the playoffs.
Yea, maybe an increase in minimum contracts could make it more difficult for teams to stack high TPE players and also make salaries looks little more realistic.
04-08-2019, 02:27 PMgrok Wrote: Retention is a real concern, and I'm hesitant to discard @"luketd"'s thoughts on how removal of HTD could trade-off with rookie and first-gen salaries. We can't one-for-one compare our league to the NBA or NHL on salaries because players in those leagues can spend their money on food and houses and tiny porcelain figurines. Here we trade contracts for time, and I think it's important to consider how burnout or falling wildly behind impacts our most vulnerable users--first-gen rookies.
Yeah I agree. One of the goals of this would be to force teams to allow players that are young and good to go to a new team that has cap space. If GMs would rather take a chance on giving 4 rookies 1 mil a season than trade 2 rookies and give the other two 2 mil a season then they're directly responsible for the increased likelihood of those players going inactive. HO is apparently looking at a way of fixing that right now though, which is great to hear!
04-08-2019, 02:21 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Yeah, it looks like you and @FuzzSHL are correct. Both teams are exactly at the salary cap. Buffalo has 2 HTD's while NOLA has none. So maybe removal of HTD's combined with a salary cap reduction is the answer. I do firmly believe that S45 EDM, S46 BUF and S46 NOLA's teams were all tii stacked. Is that unrealistic? Not really, I mean look at Tampa Bay, but it definitely makes for a rough experience for users on bad teams and I think the wildcard round was a bad way of keeping players on bad teams more engaged during the playoffs.
Yea, maybe an increase in minimum contracts could make it more difficult for teams to stack high TPE players and also make salaries looks little more realistic.
I do still think HTDs are a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches, but it's clear after our discussion that what I really think we need is exactly what you said. PBE has done it pretty well, maybe we look at a scale more similar to theirs. I mean we have/had guys like Mike Izzy and Tigole Bitties making 5 million at the peak of their careers when they're the SHL's versions of Stamkos and Karlsson.
04-08-2019, 02:33 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: Remove our HTD’s AND lower the cap and we can still ice that roster. We had a 10th forward, a 7th defenseman, and like 8 or 9 send-downs.
Buffalo too good tho gotta change cap to stop us I guess
Right, and that's fine. But being able to ice that roster should come at the cost of your prospects.
Congratulations on your cup, you guys deserve it. But this isn't about Buffalo specifically, and the fact that you're trying to make it about you is silly and unproductive.
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