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Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

HTD is a way to help players stay with their teams that they want to stay with. Using Calgary as an example, they’re a closeknit group with a lot of IRL friends that play together and have fun. They don’t want to really go anywhere else.

Remembering that this is a social site, HTDs help teams that want to stay together do so. It isn’t fair to have to force someone to leave a team they want to stay with because we take an avenue away that was created to prevent that in the first place.

Others made the point of how it’s unfair to teams that have built through the draft to have to lose core players due to TPE minimums and the cap combined, so I won’t repeat it further.

HTD's are at most 4 million in savings. That really isn't the difference between keeping and losing guys you want to keep. Your own team is a perfect example of why HTDs aren't even needed. At some point the salary cap has to take effect, regardless of whether players are a bunch of friends or not. Being able to field a cup final team with 9 1000+ TPE players is pretty fair for keeping all the players you want to keep.

Removing HTDs is not the difference to forcing someone to leave.

https://www.twitch.tv/symmetrikal

Katharina Rosenthal || G || Winnipeg Aurora || 946 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Retired || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

You're not wrong (except for NOLA but that'll never happen again likely). Buffalo paid their dues and got their cup, like other teams have done in the past.

Teams should be able to be better than others obviously, but I think teams like current BUF/NOLA and past EDM and WPG were too far ahead. These teams had 1 or 2 casual members that weren't goalies, if that. Meanwhile teams featuring 5 or 6 casual members really are given no chance. I think you're seeing the extreme consequence that could happen if we took this too far, but rather if we did this correctly we'd end up with a pool of maybe 6 top teams rather than 2 clear favorites that are head and shoulders above the rest.

What's the point in building a team from the ground up then? Why not just fantasy draft the entire league every season and hope for the best. Like, idk, I think you're trying to create an issue where there isn't one and are attempting to punish teams that draft well and that people want to play for for no reason.

The league just underwent a massive expansion draft and then right after the largest draft in SHL history just a season ago. It's not like there is a super team that has won 4 challenge cups in a row or even been to 4 finals in a row. If that were the case I'd understand where you are coming from, but it just isn't.

I'm not trying to slam you're idea or put you down, I think that more discussions like this need to happen. I just think that you are seeing a problem that doesn't yet exist.

Nah I get it, it's a difference in opinion on the subject and totally fine, at least you're willing to discuss it. We definitely need more of that.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

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Elite superteam Buffalo Stampede was down 3-2 in the finals. It truly shocked me when this godly team lost 7-2 in a playoff game

Thank you Brandon, Fish, GeckoeyGecko, Karey, Kit, takethehorizon, and Ragnar for the sigs!


Charles Walker || D || S33 || Buffalo Stampede || TPE: 1,074
Name: Charles Walker
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 220 lbs
Number: 19
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SMJHL Career Statistics
S32 STL: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 11, P: 15, +/-: -3, PIMS: 28, H:34, SB: 52
S33 STL: GP 50, G: 3, A:11, P:14, +/-: -4, PIMS: 32, H: 58, SB: 60
S34 STL: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 17, PIMS: 22, H: 13, SB: 50
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SMJHL Playoff Career Statistics
S34 STL: GP: 15, G: 5, A:6, P: 11, +/- 4, PIMS: 0, H:3, SB: 24
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SHL Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 9, P:12, +/- 0, PIMS: 58, H: 55, SB: 52
S36 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 9, P: 17, +/- 14, PIMS: 34, H: 67, SB: 72
S37 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 21, P: 29, +/- 9, PIMS: 34, H: 24, SB: 73
S38 BUF: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 17, P: 35, +/- -10, PIMS: 22, H: 43, SB: 73
S39 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 19, P: 24, +/- 0, PIMS: 20, H: 50, SB: 83
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 26, P: 35, +/- -11, PIMS: 16, H: 64, SB: 67
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 31, P: 45, +/- 2, PIMS: 42, H: 75, SB: 90
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 20, P: 24, +/- 10, PIMS: 61, H: 109, SB: 79
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 25, P: 40, +/- 3, PIMS: 56, H: 120, SB: 61
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 22, P: 27, +/- -6, PIMS: 56, H: 150, SB: 76
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 23, P: 31, +/- 3, PIMS: 28, H: 55, SB: 75
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 30, P: 36, +/- 11, PIMS: 4, H: 5, SB: 93
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 16, A: 22, P: 38, +/- -5, PIMS: 4, H: 3, SB: 57
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 17, P: 24, +/- 3, PIMS: 10, H: 20, SB: 78
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 16, P: 19, +/- 2, PIMS: 10, H: 26, SB: 53
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 16, P: 22, +/- 13, PIMS: 12, H: 33, SB: 40
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 11, P: 13, +/- 11, PIMS: 16, H: 20, SB: 47

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SHL Playoff Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/- -7, PIMS: 8, H: 7, SB: 3
S36 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- 0, PIMS: 7, H: 7, SB: 9
S37 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/- -3, PIMS: 0, H: 7, SB: 11
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/- 0, PIMS: 4, H: 13, SB: 11
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- -10, PIMS: 4, H: 22, SB: 9
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 4, P: 6, +/- -3, PIMS: 8, H: 24, SB: 13
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 2, A: 7, P: 9, +/- 5, PIMS: 2, H: 4, SB: 23
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 3, A: 3, P: 6, +/- 3, PIMS: 0, H: 0, SB: 23
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/- 8, PIMS: 18, H: 25, SB: 21
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/- -2, PIMS: 0, H: 5, SB: 5

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Transactions:
Drafted 46nd overall by St. Louis in the S32 SMJHL Draft
Drafted 39th overall by Buffalo in the S33 SHL Draft
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Awards and Accomplishments:
Named Assistant Captain for STL in S33
Awarded Ondrej Ravchitikov Award - Best Defenseman for STL in S33
Named Assistant Captain for Buffalo in S39
Assistant Captain for Buffalo through S53
S46 Challenge Cup Champion
S48 Challenge Cup Champion
S40 IIHF Gold Medalist
S45 IIHF Silver Medalist
S48 IIHF Silver Medalist
S50 IIHF Gold Medalist




Jaska Seppälä || LW || S53 || Kelowna Knights || TPE: 247
Name: Jaska Seppälä
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 205 lbs
Number: 7
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Drafted 23rd overall by Kelowna in the S52 SMJHL Entry Draft


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How dare the Godpede take the finals to game 7. Where is the parity???

Thank you Brandon, Fish, GeckoeyGecko, Karey, Kit, takethehorizon, and Ragnar for the sigs!


Charles Walker || D || S33 || Buffalo Stampede || TPE: 1,074
Name: Charles Walker
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 220 lbs
Number: 19
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SMJHL Career Statistics
S32 STL: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 11, P: 15, +/-: -3, PIMS: 28, H:34, SB: 52
S33 STL: GP 50, G: 3, A:11, P:14, +/-: -4, PIMS: 32, H: 58, SB: 60
S34 STL: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 17, PIMS: 22, H: 13, SB: 50
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SMJHL Playoff Career Statistics
S34 STL: GP: 15, G: 5, A:6, P: 11, +/- 4, PIMS: 0, H:3, SB: 24
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SHL Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 9, P:12, +/- 0, PIMS: 58, H: 55, SB: 52
S36 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 9, P: 17, +/- 14, PIMS: 34, H: 67, SB: 72
S37 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 21, P: 29, +/- 9, PIMS: 34, H: 24, SB: 73
S38 BUF: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 17, P: 35, +/- -10, PIMS: 22, H: 43, SB: 73
S39 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 19, P: 24, +/- 0, PIMS: 20, H: 50, SB: 83
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 26, P: 35, +/- -11, PIMS: 16, H: 64, SB: 67
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 31, P: 45, +/- 2, PIMS: 42, H: 75, SB: 90
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 20, P: 24, +/- 10, PIMS: 61, H: 109, SB: 79
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 25, P: 40, +/- 3, PIMS: 56, H: 120, SB: 61
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 22, P: 27, +/- -6, PIMS: 56, H: 150, SB: 76
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 23, P: 31, +/- 3, PIMS: 28, H: 55, SB: 75
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 30, P: 36, +/- 11, PIMS: 4, H: 5, SB: 93
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 16, A: 22, P: 38, +/- -5, PIMS: 4, H: 3, SB: 57
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 17, P: 24, +/- 3, PIMS: 10, H: 20, SB: 78
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 16, P: 19, +/- 2, PIMS: 10, H: 26, SB: 53
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 16, P: 22, +/- 13, PIMS: 12, H: 33, SB: 40
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 11, P: 13, +/- 11, PIMS: 16, H: 20, SB: 47

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SHL Playoff Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/- -7, PIMS: 8, H: 7, SB: 3
S36 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- 0, PIMS: 7, H: 7, SB: 9
S37 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/- -3, PIMS: 0, H: 7, SB: 11
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/- 0, PIMS: 4, H: 13, SB: 11
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- -10, PIMS: 4, H: 22, SB: 9
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 4, P: 6, +/- -3, PIMS: 8, H: 24, SB: 13
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 2, A: 7, P: 9, +/- 5, PIMS: 2, H: 4, SB: 23
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 3, A: 3, P: 6, +/- 3, PIMS: 0, H: 0, SB: 23
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/- 8, PIMS: 18, H: 25, SB: 21
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/- -2, PIMS: 0, H: 5, SB: 5

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Transactions:
Drafted 46nd overall by St. Louis in the S32 SMJHL Draft
Drafted 39th overall by Buffalo in the S33 SHL Draft
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Awards and Accomplishments:
Named Assistant Captain for STL in S33
Awarded Ondrej Ravchitikov Award - Best Defenseman for STL in S33
Named Assistant Captain for Buffalo in S39
Assistant Captain for Buffalo through S53
S46 Challenge Cup Champion
S48 Challenge Cup Champion
S40 IIHF Gold Medalist
S45 IIHF Silver Medalist
S48 IIHF Silver Medalist
S50 IIHF Gold Medalist




Jaska Seppälä || LW || S53 || Kelowna Knights || TPE: 247
Name: Jaska Seppälä
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 205 lbs
Number: 7
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SMJHL Career Statistics
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Transactions:
Drafted 23rd overall by Kelowna in the S52 SMJHL Entry Draft


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HTD is a way to help players stay with their teams that they want to stay with. Using Calgary as an example, they’re a closeknit group with a lot of IRL friends that play together and have fun. They don’t want to really go anywhere else.

Remembering that this is a social site, HTDs help teams that want to stay together do so. It isn’t fair to have to force someone to leave a team they want to stay with because we take an avenue away that was created to prevent that in the first place.

Others made the point of how it’s unfair to teams that have built through the draft to have to lose core players due to TPE minimums and the cap combined, so I won’t repeat it further.

HTD's are at most 4 million in savings. That really isn't the difference between keeping and losing guys you want to keep. Your own team is a perfect example of why HTDs aren't even needed. At some point the salary cap has to take effect, regardless of whether players are a bunch of friends or not. Being able to field a cup final team with 9 1000+ TPE players is pretty fair for keeping all the players you want to keep.

Removing HTDs is not the difference to forcing someone to leave.

Especially the part regarding a team of friends. If that's the case then either they branch out a little once the salary cap constrains them or they make a sacrifice and trade one of the other players/let them walk. The SHL might not be the most friendly place, but there has to be at least one other team a couple of the fellas could migrate to together or something. Blast and I asked to be traded as a package in the NSFL just fine.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

mfw zombiewolf doesn't approve of something I say



mf every day

Elite superteam Buffalo Stampede was down 3-2 in the finals. It truly shocked me when this godly team lost 7-2 in a playoff game

I just don't get this mentality that this is all because of Buffalo. It's a little narcissistic but mostly it's childish.

Hell Winnipeg has had the best superteam in recent memory with all the players they had peaking at the same time so if anything it's more about them.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

Elite superteam Buffalo Stampede was down 3-2 in the finals. It truly shocked me when this godly team lost 7-2 in a playoff game

I just don't get this mentality that this is all because of Buffalo. It's a little narcissistic but mostly it's childish.

Hell Winnipeg has had the best superteam in recent memory with all the players they had peaking at the same time so if anything it's more about them.

You mean the Winnipeg team that won two cups in 8 seasons? That super team?

Thank you Brandon, Fish, GeckoeyGecko, Karey, Kit, takethehorizon, and Ragnar for the sigs!


Charles Walker || D || S33 || Buffalo Stampede || TPE: 1,074
Name: Charles Walker
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 220 lbs
Number: 19
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SMJHL Career Statistics
S32 STL: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 11, P: 15, +/-: -3, PIMS: 28, H:34, SB: 52
S33 STL: GP 50, G: 3, A:11, P:14, +/-: -4, PIMS: 32, H: 58, SB: 60
S34 STL: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 17, PIMS: 22, H: 13, SB: 50
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SMJHL Playoff Career Statistics
S34 STL: GP: 15, G: 5, A:6, P: 11, +/- 4, PIMS: 0, H:3, SB: 24
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SHL Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 9, P:12, +/- 0, PIMS: 58, H: 55, SB: 52
S36 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 9, P: 17, +/- 14, PIMS: 34, H: 67, SB: 72
S37 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 21, P: 29, +/- 9, PIMS: 34, H: 24, SB: 73
S38 BUF: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 17, P: 35, +/- -10, PIMS: 22, H: 43, SB: 73
S39 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 19, P: 24, +/- 0, PIMS: 20, H: 50, SB: 83
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 26, P: 35, +/- -11, PIMS: 16, H: 64, SB: 67
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 31, P: 45, +/- 2, PIMS: 42, H: 75, SB: 90
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 20, P: 24, +/- 10, PIMS: 61, H: 109, SB: 79
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 25, P: 40, +/- 3, PIMS: 56, H: 120, SB: 61
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 22, P: 27, +/- -6, PIMS: 56, H: 150, SB: 76
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 23, P: 31, +/- 3, PIMS: 28, H: 55, SB: 75
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 30, P: 36, +/- 11, PIMS: 4, H: 5, SB: 93
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 16, A: 22, P: 38, +/- -5, PIMS: 4, H: 3, SB: 57
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 17, P: 24, +/- 3, PIMS: 10, H: 20, SB: 78
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 16, P: 19, +/- 2, PIMS: 10, H: 26, SB: 53
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 16, P: 22, +/- 13, PIMS: 12, H: 33, SB: 40
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 11, P: 13, +/- 11, PIMS: 16, H: 20, SB: 47

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SHL Playoff Career Statistics
S35 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/- -7, PIMS: 8, H: 7, SB: 3
S36 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- 0, PIMS: 7, H: 7, SB: 9
S37 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/- -3, PIMS: 0, H: 7, SB: 11
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/- 0, PIMS: 4, H: 13, SB: 11
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/- -10, PIMS: 4, H: 22, SB: 9
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 4, P: 6, +/- -3, PIMS: 8, H: 24, SB: 13
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 2, A: 7, P: 9, +/- 5, PIMS: 2, H: 4, SB: 23
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 3, A: 3, P: 6, +/- 3, PIMS: 0, H: 0, SB: 23
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/- 8, PIMS: 18, H: 25, SB: 21
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/- -2, PIMS: 0, H: 5, SB: 5

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Transactions:
Drafted 46nd overall by St. Louis in the S32 SMJHL Draft
Drafted 39th overall by Buffalo in the S33 SHL Draft
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Awards and Accomplishments:
Named Assistant Captain for STL in S33
Awarded Ondrej Ravchitikov Award - Best Defenseman for STL in S33
Named Assistant Captain for Buffalo in S39
Assistant Captain for Buffalo through S53
S46 Challenge Cup Champion
S48 Challenge Cup Champion
S40 IIHF Gold Medalist
S45 IIHF Silver Medalist
S48 IIHF Silver Medalist
S50 IIHF Gold Medalist




Jaska Seppälä || LW || S53 || Kelowna Knights || TPE: 247
Name: Jaska Seppälä
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 205 lbs
Number: 7
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SMJHL Career Statistics
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Transactions:
Drafted 23rd overall by Kelowna in the S52 SMJHL Entry Draft


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Removing it would help keep things simple, but I don't think it would cause too much effect either way.

I just don't get this mentality that this is all because of Buffalo. It's a little narcissistic but mostly it's childish.

Hell Winnipeg has had the best superteam in recent memory with all the players they had peaking at the same time so if anything it's more about them.

You mean the Winnipeg team that won two cups in 8 seasons? That super team?

The issue is not with the result, but rather the expectation. A lot of things in life tend to be more about the process than the result, but you'll hear that a lot from sports coaches (I bring this up since I assume you've played hockey or another sport at some point in your life so it's relatable). The same applies to this. The sim is about maximizing your chances if winning by having the most TPE and allocating it correctly. Therefore it doesn't always make sense to look at the results (especially playoff results due to the small sample size of each series), rather you should be looking at the expected outcome for having such a good team and maybe the regular season because although it's still a small sample size it's still larger than the sample size of the playoffs. I'll admit that a lot of predictions take the previous season into account heavily, but you'll find that generally people had Winnipeg at least winning their conference if not the cup.

S44 Predictions - Regular Season Tied-4th overall
S43 Predictions - Regular Season 1st overall
S42 Predictions - Regular Season 9th overall
S41 Predictions - Regular Season 1st overall
S40 Predictions - Regular Season 1st overall
S39 Predictions - Regular Season Tied-4th overall
S38 Predictions - Regular Season 2nd overall
S37 Predictions - Regular Season 2nd overall

That's a lot of seasons in a row for a team to be expected to make the finals/win the cup.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

You mean the Winnipeg team that won two cups in 8 seasons? That super team?

That's a lot of seasons in a row for a team to be expected to make the finals/win the cup.

Not even just expectations, but from S36-S43 they were top 3 in league points 7/8 times. 3 straight seasons where they were 2nd, then 1 season in 3rd, then 3/4 seasons in 1st.

https://www.twitch.tv/symmetrikal

Katharina Rosenthal || G || Winnipeg Aurora || 946 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Retired || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

That's a lot of seasons in a row for a team to be expected to make the finals/win the cup.

Not even just expectations, but from S36-S43 they were top 3 in league points 7/8 times. 3 straight seasons where they were 2nd, then 1 season in 3rd, then 3/4 seasons in 1st.

That's gonna be a yikes from me dog. Looks even worse when you put it that way.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

What's the point in building a team from the ground up then? Why not just fantasy draft the entire league every season and hope for the best. Like, idk, I think you're trying to create an issue where there isn't one and are attempting to punish teams that draft well and that people want to play for for no reason.

The league just underwent a massive expansion draft and then right after the largest draft in SHL history just a season ago. It's not like there is a super team that has won 4 challenge cups in a row or even been to 4 finals in a row. If that were the case I'd understand where you are coming from, but it just isn't.

I'm not trying to slam you're idea or put you down, I think that more discussions like this need to happen. I just think that you are seeing a problem that doesn't yet exist.

Nah I get it, it's a difference in opinion on the subject and totally fine, at least you're willing to discuss it. We definitely need more of that.

the league just expanded by two teams because the SHL grew to the point that teams were beginning to be full of 1000+ tpe players. Its not a difference of opinion. You're fabricating a problem that doesnt exist. Or at the very least, hasn't existed long enough to become visible yet. If the issue is as prevalent as you're making it out to be, forcing teams to spend 4m more per season isn't going to fix anything. Another expansion or something equally as drastic would have to take place.

arigato to everyone for the dope sigs <3

Tom Holberg|| RW || Anchorage Armada


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There are ZERO guarantees in STHS. Having a stacked roster doesn’t mean you’re winning a cup no matter what, there are ZERO guarantees that will happen. This is making a mountain out of a molehill expectations are nothing but a fart in the wind.
Not trying to draw attention but despite being in the playoffs for 6 straight seasons there are still people that always predict we miss the playoffs. Season Predictions are not taken seriously half the time and are copy and paste 85% of the time.

#40 Niclas Wastlund - W - VANCOUVER WHALERS / TORONTO NORTH STARS


NICLAS WASTLUND | HOF GM (LAP) - 1080 - 800 -178
Name: Niclas Wastlund
Age: 61
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 77
Birthplace: Hudiksvall, Sweden
Birthday: July 16th
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EEL Career Statistics
S1 STHLM: GP: 60 || G: 4 || A: 20 || P: 24 || +/-: 13 || PIMS: 112 || H: 133 || SB: 100
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NWJHL Career Statistics
S7 VAN: GP: 38 || G: 5 || A: 22 || P: 27 || +/-: 18 || PIMS: 22 || H: 63 || SB: 50
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SHL Career Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 45 || G: 2 || A: 15 || P: 17 || +/-: 10 || PIMS: 81 || H: 54 || SB: 38 || TA: 23
S9 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 9 || A: 24|| P: 33 || +/-: 17 || PIMS: 95 || H: 116 || SB: 37 || TA: 60
S10 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 33 || P: 58 || +/-: 25 || PIMS: 62 || H: 136 || SB: 44 || TA: 38
S11 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 29 || A: 27 || P: 56 || +/-: 48 || PIMS: 31 || H: 194 || SB: 52 || TA: 41
S12 MIN: GP: 27 || G: 4 || A: 19 || P: 23 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 31 || H: 60 || SB: 20 || TA: 00
S13 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 7 || A: 33 || P: 40 || +/-: 11 || PIMS: 57 || H: 91 || SB: 67 || TA: 0
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 12 || G: 1 || A: 5 || P: 6 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 18 || H: 7 || SB: 14 || TA: 5
S9 MIN: GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -3 || PIMS: 2 || H: 16 || SB: 6 || TA: 6
S10 MIN: GP: 21 || G: 6 || A: 5 || P: 11 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 10 || H: 69 || SB: 14 || TA: 22
S11 MIN: GP: 11 || G: 5 || A: 3 || P: 8 || +/-: -8 || PIMS: 8 || H: 46 || SB: 12 || TA: 9
S12 MIN: GP: 15 || G: 1 || A: 13 || P: 14 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 16 || H: 32 || SB: 9 || TA: NA
S13 MIN: GP: 9 || G: 2 || A: 8 || P: 10 || +/-: 0 || PIMS: 2 || H: 22 || SB: 20 || TA: NA
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SHL General Manager Record
S15 LAP: W: 20 || L: 24 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S16 LAP: W: 33 || L: 15 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST  - LOST in 1st Round to EDM
S17 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS 
S18 LAP: W: 25 || L: 23 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S19 LAP: W: 27 || L: 17 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to SEA
S20 LAP: W: 26 || L: 15 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 61 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to TEX
S21 LAP: W: 26 || L: 19 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S22 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 72 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to MAN
S23 LAP: W: 30 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to SEA
S24 LAP: W: 31 || L: 12 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 71 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to HAM
S25 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S26 LAP: W: 26 || L: 22 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S27 LAP: W: 26 || L: 20 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S28 LAP: W: 26 || L: 17 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S29 LAP: W: 16 || L: 31 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 35 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S30 LAP: W: 22 || L: 25 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 47 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S31 LAP: W: 27 || L: 22 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S32 LAP: W: 38 || L: 10 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 78 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to CAL
S33 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to CAL
S34 LAP: W: 30 || L: 12 || OTL: 8 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S35 LAP: W: 28 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 1st Round to POR
S36 LAP: W: 24 || L: 22 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S37 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S38 LAP: W: 20 || L: 26 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 44 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S39 LAP: W: 25 || L: 19 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to MIN
S40 LAP: W: 25 || L: 18 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 57 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S41 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 70 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to WKP
S42 LAP: W: 28 || L: 22 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S43 LAP: W: 28 || L: 20 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 58 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to WPG
S44 LAP: W: 30 || L: 16 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST 1st Round to WPG
S45 LAP: W: 24 || L: 20 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S46 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - 2nd in Southwest -
S47 LAP: W: 20 || L: 25 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 45 || RESULT: 7th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S48 LAP: W: 20 || L: 29 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 41 || RESULT: 8th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S49 LAP: W: 21 || L: 19 || OTL: 10 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to EDM
S50 LAP: W: 26 || L: 23 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 53 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to CAL
S51 LAP: W: 21 || L: 25 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Western Conference Finals to EDM
S52 LAP: W: 25 || L: 21 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST -
S53 LAP: W: 00 || L: 00 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 00 || RESULT: ??? WEST -
Total Record: W: 991 || L:  743 || OTL: 170  || TOTAL: 1,904
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Transactions:
Drafted 11th overall by Stockholm in the S1 EEL Draft
Drafted 7th Overall by Vancouver in EEL Supplemental Draft
Drafted 4th Overall by Minnesota in the S8 SHL Draft
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Accomplishments:
Named S1 Stampede Team Captain
Season 1 EEL All-Star Selection 
Named S7 Vancouver Alternate Captain
S7 Raymond Lindsay Award Winner (Fan voted League MVP)
Season 7 NWJHL All-Star Selection - 1st Overall in Fantasy Draft
1st Defenseman Taken in the S8 Draft
GM of Team Sweden at the S8 WJC
Team Sweden - Gold Medal Winner S8 WJC
S8 SHL All-Star
S9 SHL All-Star
S10 SHL All-Star - Voted #2 Starting D
S11 SHL All-Star - Voted #1 Starting D
S13 SHL All-Star
S9 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S10 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S11 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S12 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
Team Sweden - S10 Olympic Team Captain
S10 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S12 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S10 Stevens Trophy Runner-Up
Vancouver Whalers' Top D-Man Trophy named "Niclas Wastlund Trophy"
** Suspended for 25 games in S12.
League Record for Best Plus/Minus in S11 for +48
Hired as Los Angeles Panthers GM - S15
Won Western Conference Title - S16
S17 Challenge Cup Champion - GM LA Panthers
S17 JJ Krever Award Winner (Top GM)
S22 Clarence Campbell Trophy Winner
S23 President's Trophy Award Winner
S24 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 Lance Uppercut Trophy Award Winner (Top GM)
S32 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S34 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S42 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S43 Game 331 - 4-1 WIN v.s Toronto North Stars - 778th Win - 1st to hit this mark - Most Wins as a GM in SHL History
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Contract:
Signed 3yr/10.5M Contract in S8 with NTC.
Signed 5yr/18M Contract Extension in S10 with NTC
Retired S13
Retired as LA Panthers GM After the S55 Season

Nah I get it, it's a difference in opinion on the subject and totally fine, at least you're willing to discuss it. We definitely need more of that.

the league just expanded by two teams because the SHL grew to the point that teams were beginning to be full of 1000+ tpe players. Its not a difference of opinion. You're fabricating a problem that doesnt exist. Or at the very least, hasn't existed long enough to become visible yet. If the issue is as prevalent as you're making it out to be, forcing teams to spend 4m more per season isn't going to fix anything. Another expansion or something equally as drastic would have to take place.

I can't testify that the issue has existed since before S38 because I didn't join the league until then, but it's been around since then. I thought Winnipeg was an exception but there's been at least one team like this every season. Removing HTDs doesn't fix the problem outright, but it's a start.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre