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Hallsy · 04-08-2019, 03:54 PM

04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:39 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote: A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers. We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.

Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

I would hate parity among teams within seasons tbh, everyone would be afraid to make trades with their 1st round pick and honestly it would bring a weird dynamic to the shl. Idk you can rebuild a team in 3-4 seasons which is on par with a regular NHL team or the most part and u still get Hurricanes/oilers/sabres who sucked forever too.

Hallsy · 04-08-2019, 03:54 PM

04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:39 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote: A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers. We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.

Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

I would hate parity among teams within seasons tbh, everyone would be afraid to make trades with their 1st round pick and honestly it would bring a weird dynamic to the shl. Idk you can rebuild a team in 3-4 seasons which is on par with a regular NHL team or the most part and u still get Hurricanes/oilers/sabres who sucked forever too.

Hallsy · 04-08-2019, 03:54 PM

04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:39 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote: A lot of super teams have came and gone over the years, it's just a cycle that happens in the SHL. The Jets are picking 1st overall this season and have to build things back. NOLA was stacked due to stupid expansion rules and EDM was stacked from good gming, and drafting it took them seasons to build that team, just like Buffalo. Buffalo had what 3 straight 1st overall picks or wtv. There is parity in the league, we have had 7 different challenge cup winners in the last 10 seasons.

MLB has 7 different world series champions. NHL has 5. NFL has 7 with a dynasty in the last 10 seasons. There are 30+ teams in those leagues and we are a 16 team league now and are having comparable numbers. We are on par with the best professional sports league in terms of parity and honestly, the last decade has had the best parity in league history. The lack of Parity simply isn't an issue in this league. To me this just a change for a change and have no base to it. I would disagree with a decreased cap or the removal of the HTD contract, every team has an opportunity for an HTD except for the expansion teams but they just came into the league.

Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

I would hate parity among teams within seasons tbh, everyone would be afraid to make trades with their 1st round pick and honestly it would bring a weird dynamic to the shl. Idk you can rebuild a team in 3-4 seasons which is on par with a regular NHL team or the most part and u still get Hurricanes/oilers/sabres who sucked forever too.

Tomasnz · 04-08-2019, 04:09 PM

To my mind there are two issues.

1. Top tier players are probably under paid due to lowest minimums.
2. Rookies and send downs need cash too

My suggestion would be to just introduce a new tier or two to the existing salary minimums, say 6mil at 1500, and 7 mil at 1750 or someth8ng, and then at the same time bump the send down cap from 8, to 10 or 12 mil.

Put more tension at the top end and less at the bottom.

BDonini · 04-08-2019, 04:14 PM

04-08-2019, 03:54 PMThatDamnMcJesus Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

I would hate parity among teams within seasons tbh, everyone would be afraid to make trades with their 1st round pick and honestly it would bring a weird dynamic to the shl. Idk you can rebuild a team in 3-4 seasons which is on par with a regular NHL team or the most part and u still get Hurricanes/oilers/sabres who sucked forever too.

hate it so much you said it 4 times Tongue

SlashACM · 04-08-2019, 04:22 PM

@caltroit_red_flames idk why ur saying NOLA is stacked they have a shit goalie and they should have more money to find a good goalie

caltroit_red_flames · 04-08-2019, 04:50 PM

04-08-2019, 04:22 PMSlashACM Wrote: @caltroit_red_flames idk why ur saying NOLA is stacked they have a shit goalie and they should have more money to find a good goalie

800 TPE is enough for goalies to be good unless their last name is Cain

caltroit_red_flames · 04-08-2019, 04:55 PM

04-08-2019, 04:09 PMTomasnz Wrote: To my mind there are two issues.

1. Top tier players are probably under paid due to lowest minimums.
2. Rookies and send downs need cash too

My suggestion would be to just introduce a new tier or two to the existing salary minimums, say 6mil at 1500, and 7 mil at 1750 or someth8ng, and then at the same time bump the send down cap from 8, to 10 or 12 mil.

Put more tension at the top end and less at the bottom.

Oui oui this is the answer

Sleepy · 04-08-2019, 05:06 PM

04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

there is literally no way to change this over the course of one season, and if you could, would it even be a good idea? I feel like the GOOD teams right now spent a lot of effort on being good. Buffalo didn't become good over night. It was a process -- a process that every good team has had to go through in my near 11 seasons on the SHL.

I'm all for opening more doors for casual members but imo, this just isn't the way to do it. Why punish teams for putting in effort into building something sustainable over a long period? I just don't get that logic.

karlssens · 04-08-2019, 05:24 PM

wow I'm sorry we made you sign an HTD jeeeeeez
a side from a few users, most of the top end guys seem to take minimum so the team can bring in more talent to surround them. HTD is just another tool in the GM's toolbox.
raising minimums (or lowering total salary cap) would probably be more effective to create parity.

short of looking I'm pretty sure the GM's on each team are one, if not both, of the HTD's as well.

caltroit_red_flames · 04-08-2019, 05:26 PM

04-08-2019, 05:06 PMSleepy Wrote:
04-08-2019, 03:48 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Nothing you said is wrong, but you're talking about parity from season to season, I'm talking about parity among teams within seasons. By that I mean decreasing the gap between the top and bottom teams TPE-wise within the span of a single season. I'm not concerned with repeat champions, but moreso with reducing the amount of time it takes for teams to become playoff teams and increasing the amount of ice time casual members get on competitive teams.

there is literally no way to change this over the course of one season, and if you could, would it even be a good idea? I feel like the GOOD teams right now spent a lot of effort on being good. Buffalo didn't become good over night. It was a process -- a process that every good team has had to go through in my near 11 seasons on the SHL.

I'm all for opening more doors for casual members but imo, this just isn't the way to do it. Why punish teams for putting in effort into building something sustainable over a long period? I just don't get that logic.

You're not wrong (except for NOLA but that'll never happen again likely). Buffalo paid their dues and got their cup, like other teams have done in the past.

Teams should be able to be better than others obviously, but I think teams like current BUF/NOLA and past EDM and WPG were too far ahead. These teams had 1 or 2 casual members that weren't goalies, if that. Meanwhile teams featuring 5 or 6 casual members really are given no chance. I think you're seeing the extreme consequence that could happen if we took this too far, but rather if we did this correctly we'd end up with a pool of maybe 6 top teams rather than 2 clear favorites that are head and shoulders above the rest.

caltroit_red_flames · 04-08-2019, 05:27 PM

04-08-2019, 05:24 PMkarlssens Wrote: wow I'm sorry we made you sign an HTD jeeeeeez
a side from a few users, most of the top end guys seem to take minimum so the team can bring in more talent to surround them. HTD is just another tool in the GM's toolbox.
raising minimums (or lowering total salary cap) would probably be more effective to create parity.

short of looking I'm pretty sure the GM's on each team are one, if not both, of the HTD's as well.

How dare you sign me to a contract I volunteered for >:|

***JKortesi81*** · 04-08-2019, 05:43 PM

HTD is a way to help players stay with their teams that they want to stay with. Using Calgary as an example, they’re a closeknit group with a lot of IRL friends that play together and have fun. They don’t want to really go anywhere else.

Remembering that this is a social site, HTDs help teams that want to stay together do so. It isn’t fair to have to force someone to leave a team they want to stay with because we take an avenue away that was created to prevent that in the first place.

Others made the point of how it’s unfair to teams that have built through the draft to have to lose core players due to TPE minimums and the cap combined, so I won’t repeat it further.

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Sleepy · 04-08-2019, 06:49 PM

04-08-2019, 05:26 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
04-08-2019, 05:06 PMSleepy Wrote: there is literally no way to change this over the course of one season, and if you could, would it even be a good idea? I feel like the GOOD teams right now spent a lot of effort on being good. Buffalo didn't become good over night. It was a process -- a process that every good team has had to go through in my near 11 seasons on the SHL.

I'm all for opening more doors for casual members but imo, this just isn't the way to do it. Why punish teams for putting in effort into building something sustainable over a long period? I just don't get that logic.

You're not wrong (except for NOLA but that'll never happen again likely). Buffalo paid their dues and got their cup, like other teams have done in the past.

Teams should be able to be better than others obviously, but I think teams like current BUF/NOLA and past EDM and WPG were too far ahead. These teams had 1 or 2 casual members that weren't goalies, if that. Meanwhile teams featuring 5 or 6 casual members really are given no chance. I think you're seeing the extreme consequence that could happen if we took this too far, but rather if we did this correctly we'd end up with a pool of maybe 6 top teams rather than 2 clear favorites that are head and shoulders above the rest.

What's the point in building a team from the ground up then? Why not just fantasy draft the entire league every season and hope for the best. Like, idk, I think you're trying to create an issue where there isn't one and are attempting to punish teams that draft well and that people want to play for for no reason.

The league just underwent a massive expansion draft and then right after the largest draft in SHL history just a season ago. It's not like there is a super team that has won 4 challenge cups in a row or even been to 4 finals in a row. If that were the case I'd understand where you are coming from, but it just isn't.

I'm not trying to slam you're idea or put you down, I think that more discussions like this need to happen. I just think that you are seeing a problem that doesn't yet exist.

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