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Beaver · 08-22-2018, 04:58 PM

Wow, Eggy confirms report that Crooked Head Office is hiding the origin of the obviously illegal and fake news PT Affiliation. Where is our independent investigator? Head Office lied and conspired and totally covered up for its members who DARE to be in OTHER SIM LEAGUES!! Scandalous!

#LockThemUp

*thedangazone* · 08-22-2018, 04:58 PM

08-22-2018, 04:48 PMjRuutu Wrote: But still you want answers from someone who is not in the HO? If you know who is in the HO, why are you asking me to give you the names? How the conversation started is a good place to start on finding out who the snakes are. I´m surprised if the idea and the users who were backing it up in the beginning are not standing in the PBE/NFSL user corner.

Hi it's me the sneaky snake that suggested this and would absolutely love to completely destroy the league by gifting 15 TPE per season. So if you would like to attack me to my face now that would be cool.

jRuutu · 08-22-2018, 05:19 PM

08-22-2018, 04:57 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: It is a dick move to make accusations you can't even somewhat prove.

SHL announcing PT affiliation with PBE/NFSL when users from PBE/NFSL are in the SHL HO deciding on the matter?

08-22-2018, 04:57 PMEvok Wrote: I, personally, didn't ask for you to say name, I merely said it was a really good idea to start calling out people without actually knowing who we were trying to call out. Then you asked me what i wanted for you and I tried to find some sort of logic in your speech. That's how our little conversation started and if you can find that said logic please just help me out with this cause i'm still searching it.

Okay, l don´t know where to go from here, but thank you for answering to my messages!

***Evok*** · 08-22-2018, 05:20 PM

08-22-2018, 05:19 PMjRuutu Wrote: Okay, l don´t know where to go from here, but thank you for answering to my messages!

My pleasure!

Raven · 08-22-2018, 05:20 PM

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jRuutu · 08-22-2018, 05:22 PM

08-22-2018, 04:58 PMTheDangaZone Wrote:
08-22-2018, 04:48 PMjRuutu Wrote: But still you want answers from someone who is not in the HO? If you know who is in the HO, why are you asking me to give you the names? How the conversation started is a good place to start on finding out who the snakes are. I´m surprised if the idea and the users who were backing it up in the beginning are not standing in the PBE/NFSL user corner.

Hi it's me the sneaky snake that suggested this and would absolutely love to completely destroy the league by gifting 15 TPE per season. So if you would like to attack me to my face now that would be cool.

Hello! Do you see any problem in the fact that you are a HO member in SHL and suggested the idea of teaming up with NFSL/PBE, while also being part of at least one of NFSL/PBE?

JumpierPegasus · 08-22-2018, 05:28 PM

Listen I'm the one who normally plays the "SHL HO is corrupt" card and I don't appreciate you stepping on my turf

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*thedangazone* · 08-22-2018, 05:33 PM

08-22-2018, 05:22 PMjRuutu Wrote:
08-22-2018, 04:58 PMTheDangaZone Wrote:
08-22-2018, 04:48 PMjRuutu Wrote: But still you want answers from someone who is not in the HO? If you know who is in the HO, why are you asking me to give you the names? How the conversation started is a good place to start on finding out who the snakes are. I´m surprised if the idea and the users who were backing it up in the beginning are not standing in the PBE/NFSL user corner.

Hi it's me the sneaky snake that suggested this and would absolutely love to completely destroy the league by gifting 15 TPE per season. So if you would like to attack me to my face now that would be cool.

Hello! Do you see any problem in the fact that you are a HO member in SHL and suggested the idea of teaming up with NFSL/PBE, while also being part of at least one of NFSL/PBE?

Hi! I see no problem because I'm still going to be half active in both of those as I am now. I haven't even taken advantage of the affiliation that they already had together except I think once. I did this because I want to see this league grow and get better every single day. Since I've come here this league has been my number 1 and since being in HO everything I've done and proposed has had the league's best interest in mind. I apologize that you don't agree with me and I feel like no matter how much we can tell you otherwise you wouldn't agree anyways. So it's honestly not worth my time to argue with you endlessly going in loops. Which is what this entire thread has been now. We will collect data and as long as this is indeed helping the league than that is all that matters. Your idea of helping the league might differ from mine or even someone else's. If you feel so strongly about these things I suggest you actually apply for a HO position the next time they open up instead of playing armchair HO and acting like your opinion is correct no matter what anyone else tells you. Then you can help argue for or against the changes you want instead of making a fuss about something that honestly doesn't even effect you because again as others have said, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE.

At the end of the day I wish we could make everyone happy with this decision and I knew going in that we wouldn't but to be brutally honest we've had a lot more support for it than against it, so sucks to be you I guess.

*Tomen* · 08-22-2018, 05:35 PM

08-22-2018, 04:35 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote:
08-22-2018, 04:24 PMEggy216 Wrote: I guess part of my confusion is also, if you don't want to partake in this system you don't have to. I'm not going to be partaking in it. I agree, the SHL has always been a more involved sim league and required a decent time investment. The system we have here is also what's made it my favourite. I've tried probably 6 or 7 leagues at least, yet this is the only one where I've really lasted.

For me personally, this decision has absolutely no affect on myself or my player (or, let's be honest here, my recreate - I stopped updating when I realized how annoying regression is). I'll still be doing all the SHL PTs and updating my player as I would have otherwise, as will many others like RED or probably many of the people involved in this discussion. But what it could do is help the league on the whole. While we are the largest of these three leagues, that doesn't mean these other leagues have nothing to offer. We've heard from former members (both with and without current players) who now have an interest in giving the SHL another go. For them, this change is great. It means they can come back and give a league they once enjoyed another chance, become contributing members again and get involved in other aspects of the site. And it should help with member retention too.

If someone really comes and just "leeches" by doing the PT share and nothing else, they're never making out of the SMJHL. They'll end up hitting retirement with a 300-400 TPE player a la Sparks Lightning, and that will be that.

If they really want an elite or even a good player, they'll be forced to contribute in other areas. Media, graphics, even discussions like these could grab their attention. We'll get new, contributing members in the league even with a system that helps people do less work. And if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out - we're under no obligation to stick it out with this program, and I'm sure both leagues would be understanding if we decided it wasn't in our best interests.

But the last thing I want to do is not even try something like this and letting the sim league community pass us by. We're all better off when we work together rather than trying to fight each other, so let's at least give a symbiotic relationship a chance.

I wouldn't be so sure about that first part. Just jump a few seasons into the future, where someone who is only in this league had to grind away at PTs for a year while watching other people simply post a link and claim the same reward. Don't you think that could lead to said person losing motivation after a while, to bitterness even?

According to many of the proponents of this new system, PTs in general suck and people shouldn't be forced to do them - unless they are SHLers only, in this case fuck them, they still have to do all those PTs that you guys think are shit. If you think that the PT system is such a burden then fix it or replace it with something else. Don't create a two-tier society where some people are forced to still participate in the broken system, whereas others get an easy way out.

I might be missing the point here but simply by looking from a word requirement standpoint for PT's SHL is apparently the easiest with only 150 words. Now you could analyze which PT is easier or harder but from a pure words perspective the SHL is the easiest one out of the 3. At least that's what I have heard didn't check myself.

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**.bojo** · 08-22-2018, 05:44 PM

Guys it was fun after 10 pages. But come on.

ztevans · 08-22-2018, 05:47 PM

08-22-2018, 05:44 PM.bojo Wrote: Guys it was fun after 10 pages. But come on.

Quick! Distract them by updating the Beaujeaux Beaux!

Eggy216 · 08-22-2018, 05:47 PM

There’s some good points in this thread, but “you shouldn’t be in HO if you’re a part of any other league” is definitely the hottest take.

***Evok*** · 08-22-2018, 05:47 PM

08-22-2018, 05:44 PM.bojo Wrote: Guys it was fun after 10 pages. But come on.

im still under 10 pages here (since i use the most post per page)

***Evok*** · 08-22-2018, 05:48 PM

08-22-2018, 05:47 PMEggy216 Wrote: There’s some good points in this thread, but “you shouldn’t be in HO if you’re a part of any other league” is definitely the hottest take.

ztevans · 08-22-2018, 05:49 PM

08-22-2018, 05:47 PMEggy216 Wrote: There’s some good points in this thread, but “you shouldn’t be in HO if you’re a part of any other league” is definitely the hottest take.

I mean, isn't sharing part of being HO?

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