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***sve7en*** · 09-02-2024, 04:03 PM

S78 SMJHL Awards Midseason Watchlist

Welcome all, to the return of the watch.

After a long S77 off-site for both Kahri and myself, we're back with the revamped committee (we hired some people), even more stats, and a return to the transparency plan we established when we were hired. The watchlists thread is a return to the standard SMJHL Awards process that we have established, some of which we'll be looping you all into soon now that we're comfortable with a lot of it. The committee has identified the below as a list of predicted finalists and likely vote getters when we reconvene to look at the S78 season next week. This is normally published coming out of the 2nd weekend of the season (between Sim Day 10 and 11), but due to the previously mentioned S77, Kahri and I were late on the hiring and have adjusted this season's schedule to allow for our new hires to learn the normal process and for our returning faces to get reps of the normal process in. Because of this, the data for these lists was cut off AFTER SIM DAY 10, and the work the team did during Week 3 obviously DOES NOT INCLUDE LAST WEEKS SIM RESULTS.

You can view the data used to generate these lists and the lists in sheet form HERE

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Ideen Fallah Trophy
Most Valuable Player
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Javelin Bodine (S79, LD) / @blix900 Armada

Baron Samedi (S77, C) / @Baron Raptors

Argenti Gorilla (S77, LD) / @GraylessRex Grizzlies

Ivan Godinez (S78, RD) / @vandrewski Knights

Anna Skovgaard (S76, C) / @Faelax Timber

Doug Weight (S77, C) / @oilmandan Timber

Jacppo Nummilavin (S77, RD) / @SouthPaw Timber

May O'Nayse (S77, RW) / @AW13 Timber

Cade de Vries (S76, LD) / @Ultimatedestroye Battleborn

Jason Warwaha (S76, LW) / @Boomcheck Berserkers

Hockey Player (S77, LW) / @Ruggsy Highlanders

Evil Kyle Murray (S77, G) / @Jimmysmo27 Scarecrows

Red Panda Jr (S77, LD) / @Lemorse7 Walleye

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Cedric Robinson Trophy
Top Goalie
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Timo Leppanen (S76, G) / @canucksfan22 Raptors

Elvar Gil-Galad (S77, G) / @Gaia Mormont Grizzlies

Kris (S78, G) / @Spkris Timber

Bishop Van Apeldoorn (S77, G) / @CybershadeEDM Highlanders

Walter Scheibli (S78, G) / @Segi Tidal

Evil Kyle Murray (S77, G) / @Jimmysmo27 Scarecrows

Wolfgang Puck (S78, G) / @Emeril Scarecrows

Jakub Alexa (S79, G) / @Kybel Malamutes

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Quilha Agante Trophy
Top Defenseman
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Abbe Wass (S79, LD) / @NordicNailer Armada

Deven Rappleyea (S79, LD) / @reflirt Armada

Javelin Bodine (S79, LD) / @blix900 Armada

Argenti Gorilla (S77, LD) / @GraylessRex Grizzlies

AT-AT Wollker (S77, RD) / @Muerto Grizzlies

Ivan Godinez (S78, RD) / @vandrewski Knights

Deth Klaw (S76, RD) / @ZootTX Timber

Jacppo Nummilavin (S77, RD) / @SouthPaw Timber

Cade de Vries (S76, LD) / @Ultimatedestroye Battleborn

Josh Fewer (S76, RD) / @fancey13 Battleborn

Scape Goat (S76, LD) / @pauadrian Citadelles

Red Panda Jr (S77, LD) / @Lemorse7 Walleye

David Vent (S77, RD) / @ImShiny Whalers

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Alexis Metzler Trophy
Defensive Defenseman
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Dieter Fruhstuck (S79, RD) / @bluesfan55 Armada

Argenti Gorilla (S77, LD) / @GraylessRex Grizzlies

AT-AT Wollker (S77, RD) / @Muerto Grizzlies

Boofa Benson (S77, LD) / @dasboot Timber

Jacppo Nummilavin (S77, RD) / @SouthPaw Timber

Josh Fewer (S76, RD) / @fancey13 Battleborn

Big Sweg (S79, LD) / @Samsung virtual assistant Berserkers

Leo Finnegan (S78, LD) / @GreyGooseVodka Berserkers

Scape Goat (S76, LD) / @pauadrian Citadelles

Killa Kam (S77, LD) / @Tanner Cadotte Walleye

Red Panda Jr (S77, LD) / @Lemorse7 Walleye

Thomas Harley (S77, RD) / @Harley x55 Walleye

David Vent (S77, RD) / @ImShiny Whalers

Bouch Bomb (S77, RD) / @Scp999v2 Malamutes

Isamu Knievel (S78, LD) / @jakkysosa Malamutes

McLovin (S77, LD) / @Soviet Sexpot Malamutes

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Brandon Holmes Trophy
Defensive Forward
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Rock Solid (S77, RW) / @Matticus Falcons

James Howlett (S76, LW) / @Schocar Grizzlies

Doug Weight (S77, C) / @oilmandan Timber

3WW Wingmate-Roc (S76, C) / @lemonoppy Battleborn

Joe Biggs (S76, RW) / @Riverpappas Highlanders

Christov Kovalev (S78, C) / @isNefarious Tidal

Felix Carlsson (S78, C) / @FuzzSHL Tidal

Emile Dionne (S77, LW) / @hockeymil Scarecrows

Nathan Abel (S76, RW) / @DeThePyro Scarecrows

Christina Fantobens (S79, C) / @Fantobens Malamutes

Ylib Kove (S76, C) / @Keven Malamutes

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Alex Light Trophy
Most Improved Player
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Elaina Beneski (S78, RW) / @Mongoose87 Armada

Baron Samedi (S77, C) / @Baron Raptors

Ivan Godinez (S78, RD) / @vandrewski Knights

Jacppo Nummilavin (S77, RD) / @SouthPaw Timber

3WW Wingmate-Roc (S76, C) / @lemonoppy Battleborn

Cade de Vries (S76, LD) / @Ultimatedestroye Battleborn

Easton Schaffer (S78, RW) / @MattyIce Highlanders

Walter Scheibli (S78, G) / @Segi Tidal

Emile Dionne (S77, LW) / @hockeymil Scarecrows

Red Panda Jr (S77, LD) / @Lemorse7 Walleye

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Esa Anrikkanen Trophy
Rookie of the Year
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Deven Rappleyea (S79, LD) / @reflirt Armada

Dieter Fruhstuck (S79, RD) / @bluesfan55 Armada

Javelin Bodine (S79, LD) / @blix900 Armada

Charles Louchard (S79, LD) / @Charuzu Kraken

Normand Marineau (S79, C) / @jason97 Raptors

Grindle Waters-Johnson (S79, LW) / @Waters Grizzlies

Jauhnne Hawky (S79, C) / @Brenadyr Knights

Anthony Louchard (S79, C) / @Louchyz Timber

Badger Hennessy (S79, RW) / @Kasterborous Battleborn

Slava Kasyanenko (S79, C) / @Rengoku Battleborn

Katharina Rosenthal (S79, G) / @Symmetrik Berserkers

Ian Avery (S79, RD) / @redwings26135 Highlanders

Master Empoleon (S79, LD) / @okestboomer Highlanders

Duke Howard (S79, RW) / @DETisHockeytown Citadelles

Ela Solberg (S79, G) / @KanameRei Citadelles

Puddles O'Duckling (S79, LW) / @Z-Whiz Walleye

Tip Toasty (S79, RW) / @TipToasty Walleye

Christina Fantobens (S79, C) / @Fantobens Malamutes

Djoe Anderson (S79, LW) / @MrRuihu Malamutes

Enjoy, let us know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns, and we'll see you soon for the regular season award finalists thread!

-sve7en and Kahri

***JohnFranklinKennedy*** · 09-02-2024, 04:25 PM

cant even argue these anymore cause im not on the committee smh

jason97 · 09-02-2024, 05:16 PM

Samedi for MVP Raptors

icewindoo · 09-02-2024, 05:23 PM

Nice to see this much data!

But I do have one question. Looking at the Esa Anrikkanen Trophy (rookies, because I'm on a team with a whole bunch of decent rookies), I see that 17 players were chosen to be shown in the watchlist, but how were those 17 chosen? Were those the leaders in some category that's in the spreadsheet, or are some other criteria being used to decide the watchlist?

reflirt · 09-02-2024, 06:05 PM

The Anchorage D corps will be a menace for the next few seasons. Can’t wait to see how the team develops

***sve7en*** · 09-02-2024, 06:25 PM

09-02-2024, 05:23 PMicewindoo Wrote: Nice to see this much data!

But I do have one question. Looking at the Esa Anrikkanen Trophy (rookies, because I'm on a team with a whole bunch of decent rookies), I see that 17 players were chosen to be shown in the watchlist, but how were those 17 chosen? Were those the leaders in some category that's in the spreadsheet, or are some other criteria being used to decide the watchlist?

Some were leaders, yes, though it's not explicit criteria and there's no formula to try and min-max.

Part of the issue facing Rookie of the Year each season is that it's a hard task of comparing apples to oranges to bananas. Variance in where teams are at, linemates, position, and usage (both rate and deployment) make it both an award that wide and challenging to judge properly. It's all of the complexity of Most Valuable, without the guidance of "what impact (value) did this have" to lead the discussion. In this case we see some scorers who are able to contribute defensively - (with some leeway given to the top shooter and assist leader), defenders and grindy forwards who haven't been a black hole on offense, and the two goalies being treated as 1A options who are performing above average. Sometimes this hurts rookies who are above average at everything, but as you'll see these players have good seasons and it's more a matter of the decisions being split because every person who looks at these numbers will come to a different conclusion.

Regarding your team that is a whole bunch of rookies, all 6 Armada defensemen and a winger are rookies, and the team as a whole is performing well. In this case the primary list at Day 10 includes Dieter Fruhstuck who is doing approximately all of the defensive work for the top line, and omits Micool is Gonnawinthecup, who is not seeing the minutes the other five are with similar-ish numbers. Outside of that there are Deven Rappleyea and Javelin Bodine who (combined on PP1) lead defensemen with 29 points each, omitting Abbe Wass and Barcus Juneau. This is a hard one, and all four have merit, but at that point priority was likely given to the more complete Deven and Javelin - while you could argue Abbe and Barcus are slightly better on offense despite the missing PP time (even strength scoring per 60, corsi, etc), their slightly worse defensive metrics (hits and takeaways per 60) don't do that argument any favors.

In the end, it's a close decision - I wouldn't be mad with any of the five being listed, but I fully agree with the result in that I think it's valid, that it was limited where the entire Anchorage depth chart doesn't make this list, and will reiterate that this isn't exhaustive or exclusionary to who is on the actual ballots.

icewindoo · 09-02-2024, 08:14 PM

09-02-2024, 06:25 PMsve7en Wrote: Some were leaders, yes, though it's not explicit criteria and there's no formula to try and min-max.

Part of the issue facing Rookie of the Year each season is that it's a hard task of comparing apples to oranges to bananas. Variance in where teams are at, linemates, position, and usage (both rate and deployment) make it both an award that wide and challenging to judge properly. It's all of the complexity of Most Valuable, without the guidance of "what impact (value) did this have" to lead the discussion. In this case we see some scorers who are able to contribute defensively - (with some leeway given to the top shooter and assist leader), defenders and grindy forwards who haven't been a black hole on offense, and the two goalies being treated as 1A options who are performing above average. Sometimes this hurts rookies who are above average at everything, but as you'll see these players have good seasons and it's more a matter of the decisions being split because every person who looks at these numbers will come to a different conclusion.

Regarding your team that is a whole bunch of rookies, all 6 Armada defensemen and a winger are rookies, and the team as a whole is performing well. In this case the primary list at Day 10 includes Dieter Fruhstuck who is doing approximately all of the defensive work for the top line, and omits Micool is Gonnawinthecup, who is not seeing the minutes the other five are with similar-ish numbers. Outside of that there are Deven Rappleyea and Javelin Bodine who (combined on PP1) lead defensemen with 29 points each, omitting Abbe Wass and Barcus Juneau. This is a hard one, and all four have merit, but at that point priority was likely given to the more complete Deven and Javelin - while you could argue Abbe and Barcus are slightly better on offense despite the missing PP time (even strength scoring per 60, corsi, etc), their slightly worse defensive metrics (hits and takeaways per 60) don't do that argument any favors.

In the end, it's a close decision - I wouldn't be mad with any of the five being listed, but I fully agree with the result in that I think it's valid, that it was limited where the entire Anchorage depth chart doesn't make this list, and will reiterate that this isn't exhaustive or exclusionary to who is on the actual ballots.

OK, thanks for the detailed response.

***bluesfan55*** · 09-02-2024, 09:05 PM

i block shots

Waters · 09-02-2024, 10:23 PM

is there any specific idea to how the players are sorted or is it random?

***sve7en*** · 09-02-2024, 10:35 PM

09-02-2024, 10:23 PMWaters Wrote: is there any specific idea to how the players are sorted or is it random?

In order on the sheets, no, people are just shuffling names around as they go.

For the Agante gap, yes, to the extent that there were a slightly stronger 9 and another relatively good cutoff point at 14.

In the post, no, just sorted by team.